07-10-2001 00:33									#1
	What if leaders could change with the era? Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

The title says it all. What if leaders changed with the era? Is it possible?

Check it out - the leader pic and background change with the eras, so depending how the leader pics are modified, it seems like you could picture a different leader for each era! The only remaining difficulty would be allowing names to change with the pictures. Imagine America for instance -

Ancient Leader - John Smith (Jamestown), or that Mayflower compact guy.

Medieval Leader - James Madison (wrote the constitution), George Washington, or Jefferson

Industrial Leader - Lincoln, Susan B. Anthony, or TR

Modern Leader - MLK, JFK, FDR, LBJ, or For the right wingers Reagan.

Would that not be a great! Imagine how this could lend more color to different civs

Russians
Ancient - Ivan the Terrible
Medieval - Peter the Great
Industrial - Lenin
Modern - Yeltsen

English
Ancient - Harold
Medieval - Elizabeth
Industrial - Victoria
Modern - Churchill, Thatcher, Blair

French
Ancient - Charlemagne
Medieval - Louis XIV
Industrial - Napoleon
Modern - DeGaulle

(Ok, i'm conflating the medieval, rennaissance, and enlightenment)

Anyone know if this can be done? Anyone else think this is a great idea?

	07-10-2001 00:36									#2
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Well, I'd imagine you'd be able to put in different leader pics for different ages. Not sure about the names, however. I can't believe I never thought of this...

	07-10-2001 00:43									#3
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Expanding on that:

Babylonians
Ancient - Hammurabi
Medieval - Nobody
Industrial - Nobody
Modern - Nobody

Aztecs
Ancient - Nobody
Medieval - Montezuma
Industrial - Nobody
Modern - Nobody

Zulus
Ancient - Nobody
Medieval - Nobody
Industrial - Shaka Zulu
Modern - Mandela???

Great idea!

	07-10-2001 00:44									#4
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no, leaders should not change with era.

	07-10-2001 01:42									#5
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I like the idea. Each leader could respond differently in talks.

	07-10-2001 01:42									#6
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I like the idea. Each leader could respond differently in talks and have different characteristics.

	07-10-2001 01:43									#7
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Sorry double post.

	07-10-2001 01:45									#8
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JellyDonut has a point there. Anyway, quality over quantity. It doesn't really matter that much in terms of gameplay and would require 4x as much art . And I want my civ now!

	07-10-2001 01:51									#9
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quote: no, leaders should not change with era.

Who says? You?
Anyway, its an idea for a mod. Of course, maybe my mod will catch on and become "standard" as it were. Then when MP gets released you'll have to use my mod to play others. BWAHAHAHAHAHA!
>> This evil laugh assumes of course that my hypothetical mod is possible<<

quote: Aztecs Ancient - Nobody Medieval - Montezuma Industrial - Nobody Modern - Nobody

So I'll have to dust off my old world history textbook. Big deal. If necessary, I can just parse out a civ's timeline more charitably as I did for the Americans (John Smith was enlightenment, not ancient you know) But for the Aztecs I could -
Industrial - Pancho Villa
Modern - Vincente Fox
If I feel like it. Aztecs become Mexicans just like DF was built over Tenoctitlan (sp?)

And I'll make Saddam the modern Babylonian leader if I so choose. Besides my mod idea will work for the majority of civs in the game - China, Egypt, Germany, Rome, Greece, Russia, America (sort of), France, England, India, Persia (Khomeni anyone?), all can be divided (even if a little forced) into these sorts of periods.

	07-10-2001 01:56									#10
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quote: Anyway, quality over quantity. It doesn't really matter that much in terms of gameplay and would require 4x as much art .

It's an idea for a mod not officially sponsored by Firaxis. Firaxis can keep their animated clownheads.
Actually, since I do not intend to use animated leaders, it will require a hell of a lot LESS art.

	07-10-2001 02:07									#11
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Nice, but no. Especially the way they would change attitude.

(Hum, So-an-so is king of England now but if I wait two turns then king what's-his-name will be in power and I'll screw him over!)

	07-10-2001 02:12									#12
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Not only does the artwork issue prevent this, it also doesn't help that the human player remains the same all the time...sort of spoils the 'fun' of changing leaders of the other civs.

	07-10-2001 03:03									#13
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no, silly, KruX rules the American Communism for all eternity.

	07-10-2001 03:25									#14
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quote: Originally posted by UberKruX no, silly, KruX rules the American Communism for all eternity.

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=28491


Die!! lame azz Murdering Bolsheviks!

	07-10-2001 08:07									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Christantine The Great Nice, but no. Especially the way they would change attitude. (Hum, So-an-so is king of England now but if I wait two turns then king what's-his-name will be in power and I'll screw him over!)

That's why you should support my idea of choosing leaders from a random pool of civ specific leaders!

AI chooses a random leader for each Civ in the start and a random leader 2 - 5 times during a game.

And you don't get to know exactly the traits of each leader

	07-10-2001 08:16									#16
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Leaders should not only vary on era and civilization, but also on government type, number of units, population, number of civs in the game, the different victory conditions which are turned on, whether it's a Golden Age, pre-Golden Age, or post-Golden Age, and on culture points and how many nukes the civ has!

	07-10-2001 09:30									#17
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Changing leaders would be great. Too late, but great!

	07-10-2001 12:26									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Mister Pleasant Anyway, its an idea for a mod. Of course, maybe my mod will catch on and become "standard" as it were. Then when MP gets released you'll have to use my mod to play others. BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

Frankly I think it's a good idea Mr. Pleasent, and if you can't think of any other famous leaders for some of the shorter-lived civs, you can just name all the rest of the leaders Shakala or something along those lines.

	07-10-2001 13:57									#19
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quote: Leaders should not only vary on era and civilization, but also on government type, number of units, population, number of civs in the game, the different victory conditions which are turned on, whether it's a Golden Age, pre-Golden Age, or post-Golden Age, and on culture points and how many nukes the civ has!

This was easily done for governments with civ2. Replace names of leaders with blank spaces. Add leader names to leader titles. Could only have one set of leader pics though. And there was the occasional pronoun disageement of course.