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Adrien is offline Adrien
Settler

Oct 2000
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A Petition Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

It seems like most of us here are rather unhappy with the Iroquois unique unit.


How about we petition Firaxis to change it? Either get a lot of signatures here, or flood them with emails?

Something like the following might be good:

quote:


To the Development Team at Firaxis:

We, the undersigned, are disappointed in your choice of the Mounted Warrior as a Native American unique unit. We believe the choice is unrealistic and game-unbalancing, as it skewsthe UU balance towards ancient units.

Instead, we propose a gunpowder unit as an Iroquois UU, perhaps a Carabinère--a native musketeer or rifleman with a larger movement statistic or alpine capability, representing the mobility and familiarity of Iroquois warriors.

It is undisputable that the golden age of Native American civilization, especially of the Sioux and other plains tribes that the Mounted Warrior claims to represent, came with the acquisition of gunpowder weapons.

It would not be difficult to change the unique unit--a simple editing of a few statistics and a new graphic would make a great number of players happy, as well as add to the realism of the game.

Thank you.



What d'you think?

SteveJH is offline SteveJH
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... of a little desert town!
Sep 2001
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The game has gone gold, the only possible way to change it now is in a patch later which I doubt they would do.

Ralf is offline Ralf
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Sweden
Mar 2000
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You can change the unit-stats easily with help of game-editors, dont worry. You could do that in Civ-2 also - didnt you knew that?

Jason Beaudoin is offline Jason Beaudoin
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Canada
Jan 1970
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Please! If you don't like the unit, don't be the Iroquois.

Ralf is offline Ralf
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Mar 2000
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Originally posted by Adrien
Instead, we propose a gunpowder unit as an Iroquois UU


Gunpowder unit? Are you serious? Yes, they used rifles - but they couldnt produce the stuff themselves. They where nature-peoples, for crying out load.

I say, give it a rest - that mounted warrior UU is perfect as it is.

Last edited by Ralf on 09-10-2001 at 01:00

Earthling7 is offline Earthling7
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Jul 1999
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How can one b!tch about a tiny issue in a game one hasn't played?

edit: I didn't know a female dog was an issue for sensors.

Akron is offline Akron
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Mar 1999
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I really like that idea of a gunpowder unit for their UU, but the game has gone gold, so too bad.

But its only a minor thing, so it shouldn't matter too much for me. I'd rather have the game on Oct. 30 than wait another week just for this UU to be changed.

Boris Godunov is offline Boris Godunov
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Aug 2001
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  Old Post 09-10-2001 00:46
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I'm starting a petition to ban any and all mention of the Iroquois on this board ever, ever again.

Steve Clark is offline Steve Clark
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Colorado Springs, CO
Oct 1999
time: 22:15
  Old Post 09-10-2001 00:47
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This is getting really stupid. Here are your choices:

1. Don't play as Iroquois

2. Don't turn on unique units

3. Deal with it, in the long run of the game, it won't make any difference

or, the best one

4. Make a few simple changes in the file to replace this unit with something else

Or are you one of those that demands the game to be "perfect" and "right"?? Let me make a point. I say that unique unit is perfect and right for the game, are you going to tell me I'm wrong or right when the ability to change just about anything in the game is expected? It's up to YOU to decide what you feel are the appropriate civs, units, tech advances, terrain graphics, leaders, wonders, attributes, etc., etc. That's why it is so easy to make changes to all of them.

freemen is offline freemen
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Oct 2001
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What the hell do u know of iroquois golden age and the contribution of mounted warrior. I live where the iroquois "access" their golden age. Even if they were Plumed head-band in ceremonial purpose, they often ride horses for deplacement and war. It is true they were the best in guerrila tactics in mid-18 century, but when they were confronting ennemy on a traditionnal battle, they often use cavalary tactics as much a foot soldier. Be a native of the region were iroquois were active, we learn this stuff at school. So if u dont please with the choice of Firaxis then dont play the iroquois and it will end the freaking useless junk of changing stuff. Do it yourself when u will have the game. They put a lot of effort searching for the game and do the game so why not be happy that isnt push up til nest year before the release. It is one the first game that when they give a date for shipping, they respect it. So shut up and enjoy what the hard work of Firaxis will give us in a few week.

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quote:
Originally posted by Adrien
It seems like most of us here are rather unhappy with the Iroquois unique unit.


How about we petition Firaxis to change it? Either get a lot of signatures here, or flood them with emails?




I'm really mad too![] Have you seen the font they are using in the game???? How could they??? It's unforgivable!!!! I'm not going to buy the game until they change it!!! Will you, Adrien, sign my petition also?


Adrien; Have you nothing of worth to post?

Shiva is offline Shiva
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Omaha,Nebraska USA
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quote:
Originally posted by Adrien
It seems like most of us here are rather unhappy with the Iroquois unique unit.


Seems like you are assuming without facts.

HalfLotus is offline HalfLotus
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ATL, shorty.
Sep 2001
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I'm really mad too![] Have you seen the font they are using in the game???? How could they??? It's unforgivable!!!! I'm not going to buy the game until they change it!!! Will you, Adrien, sign my petition also?





cyril25376 is offline cyril25376
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Salzburg, Austria
Jun 2001
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Put an end to popups!

I will play civ3 before I start to complain before I had the chance the gamebalance

red_jon is offline red_jon
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Oct 2000
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Its an obvious fact that Firaxis did little to no research for this game...

Rakki is offline Rakki
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Sep 2001
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The only good Indian is a good Indian, and the mounted warrior's low defense will make that sooo much easier..... yet it will be dangerous to get hit by one of those.

hey, i personally don't care. It seems like a decent unit.

ancient is offline ancient
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May 2001
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it seems we have too many horse uu's any how...

Anun Ik Oba is offline Anun Ik Oba
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Grace of God
Sep 1999
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I am not unhappy with Iroq's UU. I will not sign your petition.

Green Giant is offline Green Giant
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Sep 2001
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This is the dumbest thing to complain about. If you don't like it, don't be them. They probably added the headdress to make it look more distict as there are several horse mounted units. What really bothers you that much? There are a group of people in this world just waiting to be offended by something.

Simpleton is offline Simpleton
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Nov 2000
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  Old Post 09-10-2001 08:38
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Originally posted by Adrien
It seems like most of us here are rather unhappy with the Iroquois unique unit.




Most of us???? Speak for yourself. I really don't care. It's just a game and I'm not going to bust a nut over it. Heck I'm from Canada and I would be happy just to have my nation included (albeit to the objections of a few ..um...nay sayers).
I'm happy the games coming out soon and I'll ***** about things when there are actually THINGS to ***** about.....

tniem is offline tniem
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Apr 2000
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Originally posted by Earthling7
edit: I didn't know a female dog was an issue for sensors.


Ah yes and reading your post it doesn't appear that you used the word in the way that you have defined it as. So I think the censors were probably right...

monkspider is offline monkspider
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Aug 2001
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  Old Post 09-10-2001 10:25
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Frankly, I really like the unique unit and I would petition to keep it if I didn't know this game had already gone gold.

Rasbelin is offline Rasbelin

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Nov 1999
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quote:
Originally posted by Earthling7
How can one b!tch about a tiny issue in a game one hasn't played?


He's probably trying bite of more than he can chew.
I can agree with you that this kind of complaining is childish
after the game has been finished. Why not complain in time?

LaRusso is offline LaRusso
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appendix of Europe
May 2001
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hm. no chance i will be playing as an iroquis. their braves will be puny match for my custom-made palestinian stone-throwers

Th0mas is offline Th0mas
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Sep 2001
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Are we sure Adrien is not Yin26!?

Deathwalker is offline Deathwalker
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Mar 2000
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Though I dont see anything wronge with there speacial unit, it is to late to do anything about it now. It's gone gold

Messer Niccolò is offline Messer Niccolò
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Oct 2001
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... I certainly will...!!!

Staszek is offline Staszek
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Oct 2001
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I don't care. I won't play Iroq's.

Taso_84 is offline Taso_84
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Mar 2001
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me neither, ive never p[layed them and prob never will

Sava is offline Sava
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Mar 2001
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People seem to be complaining that the UU's are mostly of the ancient variety. I am happy for that. I would much rather have a challenging beginning where I need to be on my toes in the ancient age, rather than having a unique Iroquois stealth bomber wreaking havoc.

By the way, most of the civs had their real life golden ages around the time periods that the UU's are from. And as many people know, I LOVE REALISM, W00T!!!

Plus you can edit the UU's. I just wonder if you are able to add UU's... hmm I think I'm going to start a thread.

 
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