09-10-2001 01:53									#1
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I started this post to learn from better players that I am. I want to know what, with few words, is your way to victory. For example, I normally prefer going to war only in late 18th or 19th or in the very begining. I love to build many improvements in my city...

I have a friend that don't build anything else the most urgents buildings and go always for war (and He hasn't problems breaking a treaty). I, normally, dislike to break a treaty...

Well, I want to know: How do you play civ?

(As always, I beg perdon to all English-speakers for a not very good master of this idiom)

	09-10-2001 02:26									#2
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Yo tampoco soy tan bueno, la verdad... Y no es que sea un fanático de los improvements, pero me gusta construir graneros. He leído por ahí que son de lo más útiles, pero yo es de lo primero que fabrico.

También me gusta variar la forma de jugar. A menudo voy a por democracia lo más rápido posible, preparándome para llevar guerras defensivas con la máxima eficacia, y me pongo a construir la nave antes que los demás.

Otras veces, empiezo así, pero cuando alguien me ataca, le borro del mapa, y nunca mejor dicho. A veces es más divertido, pero no cabe duda de que se avanza más lentamente.

Es una de las cosas buenas del Civ, deja claro que el mundo es un lugar más próspero en períodos de paz.

	09-10-2001 04:07									#3
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quote: Originally posted by yaroslav I have a friend that don't build anything else the most urgents buildings and go always for war (and He hasn't problems breaking a treaty). I, normally, dislike to break a treaty...

that´s the way I used to play
but I haven´t played a normal civ2 game in maybe MORE than a year, scenarios are funnier for me

quote: (As always, I beg perdon to all English-speakers for a not very good master of this idiom)

you are not the only one

	09-10-2001 07:03									#4
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I play the early game to expand quickly. The first order of the kingdom is to build the colossus and research monarchy. I always gift techs and then demand tribute (unless the AI finds a yet-undefended village ). Uso el oro to rushbuy (para ruxbaiar? ) caravans for wonder building. I also send a diplomat on a trireme to bribe barbarians so I can have NON-units to defend my cities. The next era is exploration and slow expansion while building libraries, walls, markets, and such.

Your english is much better than my mastery of spanish...

	09-10-2001 13:21									#5
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I also like the peaceful approach. I like to biuld almost all improvements exept granaries and barracks (that's and old custom from the civ1 days).

	09-10-2001 19:03									#6
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Oh, I also like to build barracks as well. I normally only wage war with veteran units. I know it's not that important, but, as you say, it's an old custom.

	09-10-2001 22:19									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Fiera Oh, I also like to build barracks as well.

Yep, that's the first important building 4 me. I'm very Shakanian when playing normal civ2.

Roads/railroads are the best war machine (settlers/engineers are then essential, I really hate when one of them is destroyed )
Leo's WS is my indispensable wow)

Something ironic I usually do: discover democracy to build the statue of liberty to be the first one becoming fanaticist...

	09-10-2001 22:36									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Waku Shakanian

uhm, I like the word

	09-10-2001 22:58									#9
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I am usually a peacefull player in civ, building and developing cities, ultimately ending with democracy, however I have been revising my play style a lot since I found apolyton, I had no idea of the possible population booms in democracy an republics before, or for that matter the power of caravans for trade.

In cities I end up building all improvements given time (the cities need to reach certain sizes before I want them to have certain improvements, etc) I also allways (nowadays) make sure that all cities has atleast 3 traderoutes...

As Shaka I dont play the normal game a lot anymore though, I use my time to build and play scenarios...

	09-10-2001 23:15									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Henrik ultimately ending with democracy,

Me too!

But only when I've already destroyed all my enemies except one small isolated city

	10-10-2001 07:33									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Fiera Oh, I also like to build barracks as well. I normally only wage war with veteran units. I know it's not that important, but, as you say, it's an old custom.

No es importante!? The attack and defense strengths of each veteran are multiplied x1.5, no small difference! A legion is 4a/2d, a veteran is 6a/3d - catapult attack strength with musketeer defense (except the extra hit point).

That said, I almost never build barracks. I'm not sure why, but I prefer to have my units earn the status.

	10-10-2001 13:38									#12
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I believe that when all the lands are under my control are peacefull and happy
I really like fundamentalism and comunism, if I am fundamentalism I build lot of universities,labs,caravans...to make scientifics rates the same as other civs
I don´t like breaking treaties, I usually forced to other civs to break them asking lot of tributes
The best way to conquer a city in modern age is builidng railroads with engineers and of course in all ages if you want to win you have to build a great fleet of diplomats and spies.
Ahh!!! the airports in special cities are very,very usefull.

Pd.of course in scenarios everything changes

	10-10-2001 14:11									#13
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I also almost never break a treaty, I allways keep a reputation of spotless (I don't know why, the AI doesnt care about it annyway).
When I go to war I get the computer players to declare war against me and then I crush them completely (although with a few pauses, when they pay me 500 gold for cease fire)...

	10-10-2001 18:49									#14
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Mi dubts:
-Setlers, they must buid citys or irrigations at the beginning?
-I must excahnge knowlledge wiht other civs?
-What "marvels" I must build?
-I good open "citys abandonateds"?
-What percentage for "luxury"(?) es the best?
-The first settler must to move or buid inmedastly the fisrt city?
-What is better, warrior or culture?
And more, more...

	10-10-2001 18:50									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Marquis de Sodaq No es importante!? The attack and defense strengths of each veteran are multiplied x1.5, no small difference! A legion is 4a/2d, a veteran is 6a/3d - catapult attack strength with musketeer defense (except the extra hit point). That said, I almost never build barracks. I'm not sure why, but I prefer to have my units earn the status.

I mean that barracks aren't important, not that Veteran units aren't important, 'cause, as you say, you can make green units easily gain their veteran status.

I think having veteran units is the key to win any Civ2 war, that's why I always go to war only with veteran troops.

	10-10-2001 19:28									#16
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quote: Originally posted by alf -Setlers, they must buid citys or irrigations at the beginning?

Ciudades! More cities early means fast growth, more gold, more science. Irrigate later. Build a defender first, then a settler.

quote: Originally posted by alf -I must excahnge knowlledge wiht other civs?

Si! If others have more technology, your research costs fewer beakers. Let the AI help with research, then trade techs. There are many techs to give that don't hurt you - for example, bridge building or pottery. Laugh at them if they want gunpowder.

quote: Originally posted by alf -What "marvels" I must build?

It depends on your style of play and difficulty level. At emperor or deity, Michaelangelo's Chapel is a must if you have many cities.

quote: Originally posted by alf -The first settler must to move or buid inmedastly the fisrt city?

If he is on a bad location, walk for a few turns to find a river or special, preferably both. Don't wait until past 3600bc, tho.

	10-10-2001 20:52									#17
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Thanks sodaq you are very very good "tio" and you know very much of civ

	11-10-2001 02:08									#18
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There are some of my opinions

quote: Originally posted by alf Mi dubts: -Setlers, they must buid citys or irrigations at the beginning?

I prefer, normally, build citys if they don't overlap...

quote: -I must excahnge knowlledge wiht other civs?

Except Monarchy...

quote: -What "marvels" I must build?

I love Pyramids, but, my favourites are Leonardo's Workshop and Miguel Angel's one.

quote: -I good open "citys abandonateds"?

I don't understand...

quote: -What percentage for "luxury"(?) es the best?

0% until Republic, where I normally set 20%

quote: -The first settler must to move or buid inmedastly the fisrt city?

If the start's position is good, build; else, move but not more than 2 or 3 turns.

quote: -What is better, warrior or culture?

Culture, in my opinion.

quote: And more, more...

Tell us, tell us...

	11-10-2001 02:19									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Marquis de Sodaq No es importante!? The attack and defense strengths of each veteran are multiplied x1.5, no small difference! That said, I almost never build barracks. I'm not sure why, but I prefer to have my units earn the status.

Well, I build it in the last times, in the XVIII-XX age, when I start go to war.

quote: Your english is much better than my mastery of spanish...

You are too generous...

quote: first order of the kingdom is to build the colossus and research monarchy

Colossus? Why? I don't use it often...

	11-10-2001 03:14									#20
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quote: Originally posted by alf -Setlers, they must buid citys or irrigations at the beginning?

IMHO (en mi humilde opinión)
cities (and roads, I always try to connect my cities, in case of attack I can quickly send reinforcements)

quote: Originally posted by alf -I must excahnge knowlledge wiht other civs?

I never do that, steal them if needed.

quote: Originally posted by alf -What "marvels" I must build?

Leonardo's Workshop is essential, others are quite helpful, it depends.

quote: Originally posted by alf -I good open "citys abandonateds"?

do not abuse, but do it

quote: Originally posted by alf -What percentage for "luxury"(?) es the best?

0, zero, science at the maximum

quote: Originally posted by alf -What is better, warrior or culture? And more, more...

¿mande? ambas!

quote: Originally posted by alf -The first settler must to move or buid inmedastly the fisrt city?

immediatly!

PS: This is only my personal opnion, it's the way I manage to win in deity level

	11-10-2001 06:43									#21
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quote: Originally posted by yaroslav Colossus? Why? I don't use it often...

That city gets almost double the trade arrows. With trade specials (spice, wine, silk, etc) you have a good place for a Super Science City. Build Colossus, Copernicus' Observatory, and Sir I. Newton's College, a library, and university in the same city. With 3 trade routes, that city alone can produce 1000+ science beakers every turn!

	11-10-2001 07:19									#22
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I don't like Colossus. None of my cities are past Size 3 until after I've got quite a frw and I only build Aqueducts when I have a happy wonder. I'd rather build Pyramids. I never build granaries and always try to get Pyramids (but I only play on Emperor, maybe I wouldn't want pyramids if I was on Deity).

Luxury - 0% until Republic when I usually go 40tax-40sci-20lux.

	11-10-2001 15:24									#23
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I prefere Leonardo and Smith.
I love spy for buy city the other civs... from ship, if is posible

	11-10-2001 15:56									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Marquis de Sodaq That city gets almost double the trade arrows. With trade specials (spice, wine, silk, etc) you have a good place for a Super Science City. Build Colossus, Copernicus' Observatory, and Sir I. Newton's College, a library, and university in the same city. With 3 trade routes, that city alone can produce 1000+ science beakers every turn!

I like to have a Super Science city in my games. I don't know why, but most of the times, that city is the second or third I've founded, not the capital.

	11-10-2001 18:50									#25
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The citizens.... your behavior is the same in all of citys?

	11-10-2001 21:23									#26
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In the beginning my cities produce all at first a settler, then a defence unit (or vice versa if danger ahead), the settler then founds a city. The third unit is generally a settler again who makes irrigation/roads. One or two cities produce units to explore and find goody huts, maybe to destroy a Civ nearby.
The first wonder I hunt for are the pyramids, then maybe Hanging Gardens and later the big churches. Almost can't play without them. The first improvements are generally temples, then libraries (in the center) or barracks (in the front-cities).
In the tech tree I always go for Monarchy and Philosophy as fast as possible, I hate it, when someone else gets the bonus-tech
I generally don't make attacks on Civs unless I feel powerful enough to destroy them right-ahead, I hate unfinished jobs. If I conquered a city, I probably can't hold forever, I try to starve them until there's only as much pop. as I have units inside