09-10-2001 17:32									#1
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This is the url to the news item (german):
http://www.gamestar.de/aktuell/news/news5422.html

For non-native-german-speaking people here the translation:

quote: Firaxis and Infogrames have officially confirmed that Sid Meiers Strategyepos Civilization 3 has gone Gold and will be shipped in the US by October 30th. A version with a german manual will be available by November 17th. The completely translated version of the game however will be available presumably by next year.

Now that means: the version to be sold in Germany and Austria by November 17th ONLY has a german manual whereas the in-game texts and audio files are still in english!!!

If that would be true it would be AWESOME news!!!!
Even though of course I would have preffered an english manual too. But well I dont read them anyway

The downside is that Gamestar is known for its wrong news and that they are the crappiest and yet most selling PC Gaming Magazine in Europe.
So please could anyone from Firaxis confirm this news item?

Sincerely,
ata

	09-10-2001 18:08									#2
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man, you better not change anything. i mean, how would 'consequences, schmonsequences!' sound in german?
'ergebnisse, schmergebnisse!'?

	09-10-2001 18:48									#3
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quote: Originally posted by LaRusso man, you better not change anything. i mean, how would 'consequences, schmonsequences!' sound in german? 'ergebnisse, schmergebnisse!'?

Oh man that is way out think about how it would sound in danish "konsekvenser, smonsekvenser" Oh that is...total meaningless

	09-10-2001 18:54									#4
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quote: Originally posted by ADG Oh man that is way out think about how it would sound in danish "konsekvenser, smonsekvenser" Oh that is...total meaningless

danish one sounds better think about hungarian:
kovetkozmeny, schkovetkozmeny (umlauts omitted)

	09-10-2001 18:57									#5
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quote: Originally posted by LaRusso danish one sounds better think about hungarian: kovetkozmeny, schkovetkozmeny (umlauts omitted)

Ouch...I shouldn't even try to pronounce that one

	09-10-2001 20:10									#6
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what are the chances for a welsh translation?

'consequences, schmonsequences!'

would become

'canlyniau, schmanlyniau!'

	09-10-2001 20:44									#7
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quote: Originally posted by ADG Oh man that is way out think about how it would sound in danish "konsekvenser, smonsekvenser" Oh that is...total meaningless

And as meaningless as it sounds in danish, as meaningless does it sound in anglo. So there's really no difference.

	09-10-2001 20:47									#8
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and which will be the Civ consequences of the different languages?
Maybe the usual schmonsequences?

	09-10-2001 23:15									#9
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That would be excellent news.

Otherwise it is: dosledky schmosledky

	09-10-2001 23:34									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Vrank Prins And as meaningless as it sounds in danish, as meaningless does it sound in anglo. So there's really no difference.

Both yes and no (correct me if I'm wrong here, but anglo is that english or...?), in danish the meaningless isn't funny, the meaninglessness in anglo is funny in some way...

	09-10-2001 23:55									#11
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When I started gaming all games where in English. And I am quite sure that a lot of my knowledge of the English language comes from my computergames. Recently some games that were made in English have only a Dutch version in the stores. Black & White as an example. But man, it's horrible, I want the English version. I don't know how this is in other countries but I don't want a Dutch version. 'Firaxis or Infogrames heard that?!'

	10-10-2001 15:52									#12
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quote: Originally posted by ADG correct me if I'm wrong here, but anglo is that english or

I prefer to use the word Anglo above english, because the language I usually encounter here (and in movies televisionprogramms etc.) is, well how shall I put it, not exactly the english I know from watching BBC, reading an english newspaper (I frequently read the Guardian and the Independent in the library at my job), or being on a holiday in Britain.

There are lots of yanks around here on this site, and canacs, and aussies, and kiwis (?!). Also, the anglo being used here by nonnative anglo-users is moreoften more american-coloured than english-colored.

Anglo, as I see it, is a broader term than english. It also includes american (+canadian, though canacs never like to admit that), australian, nieuw-zeelands and zuid-afrikaans (new-zealands and south-african, which originally as countries were given their names in dutch). These tongues are all just slightly different from english in speech and more and more in the expressions being used and writing, especially american.

	10-10-2001 21:51									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Vrank Prins I prefer to use the word Anglo above english, because the language I usually encounter here (and in movies televisionprogramms etc.) is, well how shall I put it, not exactly the english I know from watching BBC, reading an english newspaper (I frequently read the Guardian and the Independent in the library at my job), or being on a holiday in Britain. There are lots of yanks around here on this site, and canacs, and aussies, and kiwis (?!). Also, the anglo being used here by nonnative anglo-users is moreoften more american-coloured than english-colored. Anglo, as I see it, is a broader term than english. It also includes american (+canadian, though canacs never like to admit that), australian, nieuw-zeelands and zuid-afrikaans (new-zealands and south-african, which originally as countries were given their names in dutch). These tongues are all just slightly different from english in speech and more and more in the expressions being used and writing, especially american.

ah, thx for telling me, I didn't know that...but now I do

	10-10-2001 23:28									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Vrank Prins I prefer to use the word Anglo above english, because the language I usually encounter here (and in movies televisionprogramms etc.) is, well how shall I put it, not exactly the english I know from watching BBC, reading an english newspaper (I frequently read the Guardian and the Independent in the library at my job), or being on a holiday in Britain. There are lots of yanks around here on this site, and canacs, and aussies, and kiwis (?!). Also, the anglo being used here by nonnative anglo-users is moreoften more american-coloured than english-colored. Anglo, as I see it, is a broader term than english. It also includes american (+canadian, though canacs never like to admit that), australian, nieuw-zeelands and zuid-afrikaans (new-zealands and south-african, which originally as countries were given their names in dutch). These tongues are all just slightly different from english in speech and more and more in the expressions being used and writing, especially american.

Zuid-Afrikaans help me, wasn't that some kind of mixture between English and Dutch? Could you still call that Anglo?

	10-10-2001 23:48									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Oligarf Zuid-Afrikaans help me, wasn't that some kind of mixture between English and Dutch? Could you still call that Anglo?

I thought that was just misspelled Dutch, as the forefathers would have spoken...

	11-10-2001 13:11									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Oligarf Zuid-Afrikaans help me, wasn't that some kind of mixture between English and Dutch? Could you still call that Anglo?

Then you're talking about Afrikaans the languages of the boers (dutch word for farmers). It derives from dutch, it has also a little german influence from german settlers in South-Africa. But is certainly not a mixture from dutch and english.
The icelandic equivalent for farm is b(j?)aer as I got it. I don't know what that would be in danish. The english word farm comes from the french word ferme.

	11-10-2001 15:40									#17
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I am still going to get the English version. Not only can I get it earlier, and probably cheaper too, but most of the translations in translated games are Scheiße, Schmeiße!

	11-10-2001 16:03									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Vrank Prins Anglo, as I see it, is a broader term than english. It also includes american (+canadian, though canacs never like to admit that), australian, nieuw-zeelands and zuid-afrikaans (new-zealands and south-african, which originally as countries were given their names in dutch). These tongues are all just slightly different from english in speech and more and more in the expressions being used and writing, especially american.

Well, these "languages" are reffered to as British English / American English. So the term English is IMHO better.

	11-10-2001 16:13									#19
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"Consequences, shmonsequences, as long as I'm rich!" - Daffy Duck

	11-10-2001 19:54									#20
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whats all that consequences stuff about?

All I see is a lot of THREADJACKERS


Now for the confirmation: FIRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAXXXXIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIS!!!!!!!



ata

	11-10-2001 20:06									#21
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quote: Originally posted by campmajor! Well, these "languages" are reffered to as British English / American English. So the term English is IMHO better.

I'm "threadjacking" a bit more.


Here’s another reason for using the word anglo instead of english.

I’m not english, but to communicate here I’m using the language which has been spread all over the world by the english and americans. Their language has become a linqua franca and for me an important means to communicate.
Somehow over the years this language has become part of my own idiom, register. Visiting this forum here, for over a year now, I’m using it almost on a daily base . Does that make the language I’m using “Dutch-english” ?!, or if I would be a danish anglo-user “Dano-english”, or Germano-english etc..
My language is not really english, nor is it anglo-american or canac- or aussie-anglo, it is a mixture of all that and a bit of myself too. Therefore it has become more than/something different than solely, pure english. Since it has become my own language I’m not going to say I’m using “english”. To me it’s no longer english it has become "anglo". I don’t consider this language to be solely theirs (from the english, americans etc.) anymore. English is just another (o.k. one of the most powerful and for me most inspiring, but still a) manisfestation of this language, linqua vranca to me.

I think it will take sometime for the english and americans (and etc.) to realize that their language is no longer their own PROPERTY to which they have all the rights.


Here’s a comment I wrote months ago (and which I was willing to post but uptill now have never actually posted) after having read the umpteenth excuse by a nonnative anglo-user for the mistakes he was making:

““ Be proud of the fact that you’ve become bilingual by being an active anglo-user. (somehow I guess my anglo is rather english, but I’ve read anglo here by native anglo-users which was rather flawed english)
Allthough I'm not very strong about this because it’s pretty handy to have somekind of international lingua-franca, I sometimes think it’s the native anglo-users who have to apologize. They somehow seem to take it for granted that it’s us nonnative anglo-users who just have to come about and adapt. Sometimes I wished I had to use swahili here, to have an equal disadvantage with the native anglo-users.
Besides, and take this to your heart, it’s you who will be linguistical enriched by being bilingual, that’s something the native anglo-users miss and will never get. You may learn from it about your own native language too (well at least that’s what I do as a native dutch- and (!) frisian*-user (*the langauge closest of all germanic languages to english)).
Feel free to use anglo in what ever way to express yourself, for it has become your own language and is no longer solely theirs (i.e. the native anglo-users). Even by making mistakes !!!because that’s what they (t.n.a-u.) do too . ””


IK ZOU HET VERDOMDE LEKKER VINDEN AlS ER GEWOON EEN GOEDE NEDERLANDSTALIGE VERSIE VAN CIV ZOU KOMEN.
IS ER IETS MIS MET NEDERLANDS ??

	11-10-2001 20:20									#22
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Well, whatever...
The chanses for a norwegian version is like zero, anyway..

But, fortunately we learn good english in the norwegian school!

	13-10-2001 21:48									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Vrank Prins IK ZOU HET VERDOMDE LEKKER VINDEN AlS ER GEWOON EEN GOEDE NEDERLANDSTALIGE VERSIE VAN CIV ZOU KOMEN. IS ER IETS MIS MET NEDERLANDS ??

Ik ook, maar dan moet de sfeer wel goed zijn, en ik wil dan ook goed lopende nederlandse tekst, ik wil niet zien dat het ooit engels was.