10-10-2001 03:05									#1
	Do you get the feeling the bugs were rushed? Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

We felt when it went into beta, and we felt a few times where they changed things at the last minute (like unique unit abilities) to balance the game, and these things happened just the other day.

And now it's gone gold, just like that, doesn't that seem a bit quick? or am I being a pain?

	10-10-2001 03:08									#2
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They changed some UU abilities just a few days ago?

	10-10-2001 03:13									#3
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I hope you're just being a pain.
Otherwise, hell is going to break loose on these forums...

	10-10-2001 03:13									#4
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It does seem to have gone gold awfully fast...

	10-10-2001 03:14									#5
	Re: Do you get the feeling the bugs were rushed? Tired of ads?

quote: Originally posted by Sn00py We felt when it went into beta, and we felt a few times where they changed things at the last minute (like unique unit abilities) to balance the game, and these things happened just the other day. And now it's gone gold, just like that, doesn't that seem a bit quick? or am I being a pain?

You are being the ultimate pessimist. Try to think on the positive side, if you expect the game to be bugy you're going to spend all your playing time nit picking and not having any fun, which is THE reason for having the game in your possesion in the first place.

Mark G.> We need seperate forums for those that think the glass is half empty!

	10-10-2001 03:19									#6
	re: Do you get the feeling the bugs were rushed? Get a bigger avatar today!

"Good news Sid, Civ3 has absolutely no remaining bugs!"
"You fool! The fans expect bugs! Quick, put some random bugs in the code!"

	10-10-2001 03:27									#7
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There were positivists here just before CTP1 and CTP2 came out, you know

	10-10-2001 03:40									#8
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I was one of them red jon, and I still am bigfree1, there is nothing wrong with stating a few things, I don't go off track like yin yinknow?

	10-10-2001 03:41									#9
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Well the proof is in the pudding. The turnaround has actually been quite efficient, but then again, it is a good sign that there haven't been any complications holding back the release. Perhaps

Mind you, this thing has been under development for a long time, so I am sure that they must have managed to iron stuff out at they have gone along as well...

	10-10-2001 08:10									#10
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CivIII has been in development for at least 2 years that I know of, and probably even longer than that.

But of course, I hope that Firaxis isn't doing the 'mainstream' thing and releasing a buggy game. I mean, some bugs will happen, but I am talking about glaring errors in the program.

	10-10-2001 09:56									#11
	Do you get the feeling the bugs were rushed? Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

quote: Originally posted by Blake "Good news Sid, Civ3 has absolutely no remaining bugs!" "You fool! The fans expect bugs! Quick, put some random bugs in the code!"

"Sorry, Sid, it looks like we rushed the bugs... none of them are disrupting the game"

	10-10-2001 10:00									#12
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Exactly: I think the bugs were given plenty of time to be perfectly buggy.

	10-10-2001 10:14									#13
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Jokes aside :
Coding bugs and game balance are quite different, altering UU stats shouldn't introduce any new bugs (indeed, couldn't introduce bugs if the engine has been done right).
However the possibility of poor balance is quite possible. The UU's will probably be modified in a patch after it's been discovered that Civ X's UU is overpowered and Civ Y's is as good as useless. Altough I expect any modifications to be minor, the overall balance should be pretty good.

edit: fuxed som spewling mustakes

	10-10-2001 11:55									#14
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Maybe that will be a new strategy. It's harder to ICS so just bug rush the romans.

	10-10-2001 12:00									#15
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Hey Chuckles, don't see you round much! You won't know me because of my nickname, but I know you. ooh the memories

Go on! guess.. it was a long time ago, and embarrasing too

	10-10-2001 12:13									#16
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HEY!!!!! Are you the crazy kiwi that wanted to go out with me?

	10-10-2001 12:14									#17
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ROFL, you remember!!!

DAMN

How long ago was that? I wonder who else remembers

*shame*

	10-10-2001 12:18									#18
	Suffering from ads?

was it because of the avatar?

	10-10-2001 12:25									#19
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oh.. no.. this was a long time ago, avatars weren't around back then..

it was infact his name, chuckles, it somehow made me think he was a girl!

	10-10-2001 12:26									#20
	Suffering from ads?

it still does

	10-10-2001 12:38									#21
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Hey man I just noticed that Marine looks screwed, here's a quick fix:

Attachment: marine.gif
This has been downloaded 225 time(s).

	10-10-2001 12:47									#22
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Hehehe. Pretty good guess eh? Your smiley's gave me a good hint though, as well as the embarrassed part. How could I forget being asked out by some guy on the ACS forums? I am trying very hard to remember your old name though. Hmmmmm...

	10-10-2001 12:50									#23
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I guess that if there were still any known bugs they would't have gone gold early.

	10-10-2001 12:58									#24
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Ice_ _ _ ?

	10-10-2001 13:02									#25
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AAAAAAAAAAA!!!! Still can't quite remember. I need to go on it. Maybe I'll remember tomorrow.

	10-10-2001 15:57									#26
	Re: Do you get the feeling the bugs were rushed? Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

quote: Originally posted by Sn00py We felt when it went into beta, and we felt a few times where they changed things at the last minute (like unique unit abilities) to balance the game, and these things happened just the other day. And now it's gone gold, just like that, doesn't that seem a bit quick? or am I being a pain?

We all had this big arguement when we learned that there would be no large scale open or closed beta. This is the advantage - it can be done quickly with a minimum of fuss and bother. The downside is there is less chance that every bug, exploit, unbalancing strategy or AI flaw has been located, evaluated and fixed. Only when we get the game will we know if they judged it correctly or too many slipped through the net while they ripped out multiplayer in their attempt to meet a pre-christmas deadline.

	10-10-2001 19:00									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Sn00py ROFL, you remember!!! DAMN How long ago was that? I wonder who else remembers *shame*

I remember that ! Chuckles made a lot more posts back then...

	10-10-2001 19:03									#28
	Re: Re: Do you get the feeling the bugs were rushed? Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

quote: Originally posted by Grumbold We all had this big arguement when we learned that there would be no large scale open or closed beta. This is the advantage - it can be done quickly with a minimum of fuss and bother. The downside is there is less chance that every bug, exploit, unbalancing strategy or AI flaw has been located, evaluated and fixed. Only when we get the game will we know if they judged it correctly or too many slipped through the net while they ripped out multiplayer in their attempt to meet a pre-christmas deadline.

Well, to be honest, I think I would rather get the game sooner and let them patch it up as we go. Hmm, this is always a hard call though, because if the game is TOO buggy, it ruins the whole experience.

They should have done a limited public beta though.

	10-10-2001 20:04									#29
	Re: Re: Re: Do you get the feeling the bugs were rushed? Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

quote: Originally posted by Anunikoba Well, to be honest, I think I would rather get the game sooner and let them patch it up as we go. Hmm, this is always a hard call though, because if the game is TOO buggy, it ruins the whole experience.

That's Activision style, except they decide to pull support too soon (and still sell the game, cheeky sods.) It's way too late for second-guessing Firaxis but I do feel the game has gone gold prematurely after such a short beta and the removal of MP support from the original product. That visible evidence of being willing to cut corners to achieve deadlines implies to me that many other features may have been left out not because they proved bad for gameplay but would require additional coding, testing and support.

The Sid Golf interview certainly shows that his fingers seem to be in lots of other pies, implying a less than wholehearted devotion to Civ III. Had the Dino staff pitched in with Civ before they turned their hands to his (then) latest brainchild perhaps more could have been achieved even in the ambitious timescale. The staff devoted to Civ have undoubtedly been flogging their guts out to produce the best game possible. I don't want to detract from their achievements but I just think they could have done with more support.

	10-10-2001 21:21									#30
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I hope there are no bugs in the game But the beta testing did seem to go very quick.
Any way my only real fear is that the games AI is to easy e.g CTP2 that realy ****ed up that game.
So I just hope they havn't rushed it.