11-10-2001 22:56									#1
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I was just wondering, is it possible for a mod to give another mod a PCR or similar punishment for some reason or another?

Is it possible for a mod to give himself more posts as an abuse of power.

Is it, for example, remotely possible that a few thousand of Mings posts are just unchecked spam, or additional posts given to him by a "benificiary"?

Has Mark or Dan ever had to keep a moderator in line?

You get the idea.

Enquiring minds want to know!

	11-10-2001 23:05									#2
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The mods DO answer to the owners of the site. And believe me when I say that there have been some "disagreements".

However, we do try to keep any discussions like that private.
(we even have our own private forum for just that)

So yes, the mods are even moderated...
But no free details... We keep things "in the family"

Oh... and to the best of my knowledge, my post count has NEVER been tampered with by anybody

	11-10-2001 23:17									#3
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quote: But no free details... We keep things "in the family

In that case I better make a note of asking Snappy when I see him next month. An offer of a few drinks should do the trick.

	11-10-2001 23:20									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Big Crunch quote: But no free details... We keep things "in the family In that case I better make a note of asking Snappy when I see him next month. An offer of a few drinks should do the trick.

The "real" disagreements are usually discussed via PM, email, or ICQ... but buy Snappy a few drinks... he can always use them

	12-10-2001 00:07									#5
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Hey, any chance of a few tidbits of information Ming? I'll get you a pint next time I am in Chicago

Yeah, the mods answer to the admins. The admins answer to me, but that is very 'hush hush'

	12-10-2001 00:26									#6
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Gee PH... Haven't you made Deity yet

Hmmmm.... maybe it's time for you to get a PCR for spamming

	12-10-2001 00:44									#7
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Feeling threatened eh? You will find that all the posts made have been legitimate, and my hike to deity has being a righteous one

	12-10-2001 01:08									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison Feeling threatened eh? You will find that all the posts made have been legitimate, and my hike to deity has being a righteous one

Threatened... HA HA HA HA.
legitmate.... HA HA HA HA
righteous.... ROTFLMAO

Remember PH... spam is in the eye of the beholder
(especially the holder of the banning rod )

Will you at least get there quickly so that when I open up this forum, you AREN'T the last one that has posted to every thread

	12-10-2001 01:13									#9
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Well maybe I do have a bit of an incentive, but at least I am not doing what Rasputin did and posting something stupid in every forum in every part of Apolyton though...damn, I have just noticed how prominent my posts are in here. Hey, it isn't my fault, more people should post around here. My frequency is higher in the civ3 forums but there aren't many threads that were last posted in by me there...

	12-10-2001 01:14									#10
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You both deserve PCRs for the spam in this thread.

MING!!!!!


oops

MARKG!!!!!

	12-10-2001 01:31									#11
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I remember Yin being moderated by Markos.

Yes, I found it. http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...64589#post64589

As you can see Moderators are Moderated.

	12-10-2001 01:48									#12
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Well Yin has always been a bit of a 'loose cannon' in terms of following the line and holding back on his criticism, and this ran him into direct conflict with the admins here, and hence he was busted, and is now a lowly King. Despite this, I think that Yin certainly deserves respect for speaking out and not being silenced on these issues, as he did a lot for the civ3 section of this forum.

	12-10-2001 02:02									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison Well Yin has always been a bit of a 'loose cannon' in terms of following the line and holding back on his criticism, and this ran him into direct conflict with the admins here, and hence he was busted, and is now a lowly King. Despite this, I think that Yin certainly deserves respect for speaking out and not being silenced on these issues, as he did a lot for the civ3 section of this forum.

I maybe shouldn't used that smilie, but it was not meant against Yin in any way.

Also, I don't know mush of what Yin did as moderator as I came to Apolyton something around the time he was fired. I found that thread while looking back in the forum a bit in the beginning of my postings, and I enjoyed it.
Anyway, I thought it could be good to answer the initial question with.

	12-10-2001 02:10									#14
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Yin! How could I forget that!

I was more thinking about mod internal checks and balances, but that was a fine example.

	12-10-2001 03:20									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Big Crunch Who moderates the moderators?

Me! Meeeeeeeeeeee!

	12-10-2001 05:00									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Big Crunch Is it, for example, remotely possible that a few thousand of Mings posts are just unchecked spam

Its more than possible. Ming suffers from spam envy these days.

	12-10-2001 05:21									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Gramphos I remember Yin being moderated by Markos. Yes, I found it. http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...64589#post64589 As you can see Moderators are Moderated.

wow, that was ugly

i didn't even know yin was a mod before

	12-10-2001 05:38									#18
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I don't know.

Coast guard?

	12-10-2001 06:13									#19
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MODERATOR = MODERATOR

They moderate themselves.

	12-10-2001 06:32									#20
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i heard refrences to yin being a mod before, but, i never heard anything about a feud. if even the mods are censored, what's going to happen to the rest of us?

	12-10-2001 08:02									#21
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quote: Originally posted by DaShi I don't know. Coast guard?

yeah, the coast gaurd. in addition to their duties of regulating the marine corps and navy. we all know the coast gaurd is real the big guns are

	12-10-2001 11:17									#22
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Isn't keeping an eye on the mods one of the Vice President of the United States responsibilites?

(did anyone else see the episode of Futrama where Al Gore claims to be responsible for "casting the deciding vote in the Senate and defending the space-time continuum"

	12-10-2001 11:46									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Case (did anyone else see the episode of Futrama where Al Gore claims to be responsible for "casting the deciding vote in the Senate and defending the space-time continuum"

I thought Gore was too busy inventing the internet to do anything else

	12-10-2001 22:11									#24
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quote: Originally posted by H Tower i heard refrences to yin being a mod before, but, i never heard anything about a feud. if even the mods are censored, what's going to happen to the rest of us?

I know! Let's apoint an Independent Counsel to investigate allegations of Bill Clinton getting under-the-desk vacuuming services from interns! Oh. That's been done? And he's not President any more? Oh darn, let's do it anyway.


Actually, IMO, he wasn't censored, and he had it coming. (I think he was also looking for it to happen) I like Yin, but he definitely had it coming with that stunt.

Read the date on the Jeff Morris interview - mid <b>1999</b>, around the time of all the "enhancements" for SMAC, plus all of Firaxis issues with their forums and alpha.owo. I think Jeff Morris made an ass of himself with those remarks about the forum communities, and they caused a Scheißsturm of commentary (quite justified) in all the forums dealing with Civ games, SMAC, etc. The thing is, it was almost two years old then, and what is more relevant is what Firaxis and Jeff Morris are doing now.

The way I see it with Jeff Morris, there's two possibilities - he'll either be/say something equally jerky in the future, and then there'll be something new to respond to, and valid reasons for doing so. Or else he'll have learned something from the reaction to the old interview. Either way, we'll see what happens when Civ III comes out.

There was no reason to regurgitate the old interview, except that news on Civ III stuff was slow at the time, and Yin wanted something to use for a soapbox.

	12-10-2001 22:38									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Oh... and to the best of my knowledge, my post count has NEVER been tampered with by anybody

History note: I beleive Ming had to have his ID and postcount restored once and was posting as a DL in the meantime...

	12-10-2001 22:45									#26
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Wow...that JM article was interestintg. I remember reading it before.

1. The article is better content than 99% of normal posts on Apolyton.

2. JM is dead on...and is not insulting.

3. Yin IS EXAAACTLY a perfect exampple of what JM speaks: forum users who live for controversy.

4. Too bad the the pissing match between Markos and Yin had to get aired.

5. Mark is correct in that Yin was wrong to air the message...especially with such a saucy comment...but too bad they couldn't settle it in private.

	12-10-2001 23:42									#27
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moderators don't need moderation. they are carefully screened and possible spammers eliminated from contention. any moderaters with slight spamming tendencies have such a strong sense of duty that they won't spam

	13-10-2001 01:38									#28
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Who guards the guards?

who Judges the Judges?

who watches the watchmen?

Who gets more sex than the rest of you guys in this thread?

Well, at least I can answer the last one.

	13-10-2001 02:38									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola Who gets more sex than the rest of you guys in this thread? Well, at least I can answer the last one.

Paying for it doesn't count

	13-10-2001 05:19									#30
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