12-10-2001 17:29									#1
	TOT bug - civ-splitting? Tired of ads?

I had something very strange happen in a recent game: the Greek capital was attacked by the Russians, causing a split:

(see 1st pic below)

as you can see, the Greek rebels become Tregin faction!!

Last edited by fluffy on 12-10-2001 at 17:55

	12-10-2001 17:32									#2
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as you can see from the next screenshot, the Tregin inherit all the Greek units! Aliens cannot normally build human units:

(see 2nd pic below)

Unfortunately, it did not take long for the aliens to start their own beasties, which are way stronger than the phalanx, etc they came up against - hence a quick end to the game...

Last edited by fluffy on 12-10-2001 at 17:51

	12-10-2001 17:34									#3
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Game details, TOT 1.1, largest world map, max. civs, barbs set to Barbarian Wrath.

I'm wondering if the barb mod has broken the program, or has anyone else seen this before?

	12-10-2001 17:50									#4
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	12-10-2001 17:52									#5
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	12-10-2001 19:56									#6
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I've never seen this before - can you attach the save file?

I don't know how to explain it, but I would like to play it - sounds challenging.

STYOM

	12-10-2001 21:46									#7
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I think itīs just an unlikely but in Civ2. You were playing an Extended Original game with less than 7 civs, right? So, a civ splits, one stays the same, the other becomes another civ if itīs available. Since there were no aliens it picked that civ.
Well, thatīs my guess anyway. They probably just forgot to prevent aliens to be used as a restarting civ.

	15-10-2001 18:05									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Six Thousand Year Old Man I've never seen this before - can you attach the save file? I don't know how to explain it, but I would like to play it - sounds challenging. STYOM

I'm not sure if I still have it - will post it if I do...


I'm afraid it's pretty much a game killer - the aliens are just too overpowered. but you never know....

	15-10-2001 18:07									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Mercator I think itīs just an unlikely but in Civ2. You were playing an Extended Original game with less than 7 civs, right? So, a civ splits, one stays the same, the other becomes another civ if itīs available. Since there were no aliens it picked that civ. Well, thatīs my guess anyway. They probably just forgot to prevent aliens to be used as a restarting civ.

I started with 7 civs, but it is possible that a civ had been destroyed by the barbs.

	16-10-2001 03:38									#10
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quote: Originally posted by fluffy I started with 7 civs, but it is possible that a civ had been destroyed by the barbs.

Yep, that's the reason. One civ on the other planet got killed early and that slot was used for splitting. Opposite things can happen as well -- you get to AC first only to find out that somebody's already there, not by sending SS, but by an alien civ splitting.

	16-10-2001 16:05									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Six Thousand Year Old Man I've never seen this before - can you attach the save file? I don't know how to explain it, but I would like to play it - sounds challenging.

not sure challenging is really the word - more like impossible!!

anyway, here is the save file - just before the greeks split, so you can see it happen.

:drumroll:

TOT CHALLENGE:

I shall be amazed if anyone here can finish this - the aliens cut through my cities like butter with their onghawks...

	16-10-2001 16:07									#12
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	16-10-2001 16:13									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Xin Yu Yep, that's the reason.

Well yes, that is the reason, but it is still a (game-breaking) bug!

quote: Originally posted by Xin Yu Opposite things can happen as well -- you get to AC first only to find out that somebody's already there, not by sending SS, but by an alien civ splitting.

I don't understand this - as I understood it, the aliens don't get barbs on AC, so how could their empire ever get split before the human civs land? or do you mean another human got to AC before you, split the aliens, and that caused another human civ to appear on AC?

	17-10-2001 02:09									#14
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There are two alien civs right? one can attack another and cause it to split.

	17-10-2001 02:23									#15
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No, there is only one alien civ (purple) in the extended original game of ToT.
But of course that you may change that in the rules.txt

	17-10-2001 03:05									#16
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My mistake. I never played extended game. Heard from somewhere that there are only 5 civs on earth. Figured the other two might be on AC.

	17-10-2001 18:52									#17
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This bug can be prevented by adding the following to the EVENTS.TXT file in the ExtendedOriginal Directory.

@IF
NOSCHISM
DEFENDER=anybody
@THEN
@ENDIF

To change events in a game already in progress, one must run the delevents.exe program on that .SAV file.

	13-12-2001 17:49									#18
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It was not a bug.

I think the alien civ on AC found a hut with barbarians inside only a short time after founding first city. The barbarian unit kills the settler and the first city.

	15-01-2002 18:29									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Thoddy It was not a bug. I think the alien civ on AC found a hut with barbarians inside only a short time after founding first city. The barbarian unit kills the settler and the first city.

afair there are no barbarians on AC...