14-10-2001 22:57									#31
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Well exactly Faboba! I'm going to consider a river as a huge bonus!

	14-10-2001 23:04									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Gramphos Do rivers still give +50% defense? or is that gone with the rivers located in the edge of the tiles?

I think that's a question only to be answered by the first American kind enough to scan large chuncks of his manual into the computer in a cuple of weeks time for me and the other Europeans.

No one's going to know this kind of exact information ( probably ) until we get the actual game.

	14-10-2001 23:07									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Faboba I think that's a question only to be answered by the first American kind enough to scan large chuncks of his manual into the computer in a cuple of weeks time for me and the other Europeans. No one's going to know this kind of exact information ( probably ) until we get the actual game.

Why not just uplaod the PDF-version?

	14-10-2001 23:10									#34
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Faboba: You and all of your European friends just let me know what you want and how you want it and I'll see what kind of information I can give to you. I plan on making posts daily on my experiences and information about the game, but I only want to do so if the Europeans don't mind the "spoilers".

	14-10-2001 23:15									#35
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But the rivers extend into unexplored territory... so how could you gain resources from land you haven't even found yet? Resources have to be under a colony or within your culture radius to be useful to you.
I think the roads have been turned off in this shot. It's in a despotism, but gaining +1 trade w/o roads? WTF?
The bonus resource on the far right is wheat, +2 food on a 2/1/0 grasslands / flood plain. The one one the lower left is Cattle, +1 food, +1 shield on a 2/1/0 grasslands. I don't know what is on the upper left, but it is +2 shields on a 2/0/0 grasslands / flood plain.
And that's a Beaver, standing for furs, I presume. Don't know what the tri-color one is.

	14-10-2001 23:18									#36
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Xmudder, are you on drugs? Maybe there is a city somewhere within the empire that is on that same river that has access to certain resources. Maybe it's liked to another city via a port. Who knows... but one thing for sure is that this city is getting resources, and there are no roads linking it to another city or to resources.

	14-10-2001 23:18									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Gramphos Do rivers still give +50% defense? or is that gone with the rivers located in the edge of the tiles?

In traditional wargames (you know, the pre-computer types), the better way to portray rivers was for them to be on the hexagon borders. That way, being attacked along the river was no problem. You only get a defensive bonus if you are attacked across the river.

In other words: (1) YES, and (2) No.