14-10-2001 02:51									#1
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Many here have talked about the World Map, as if there will be a world map in the game from the start. But do we really have ANY confirmation that there will indeed be a world map included? I havn't seen any, but maybe I havn't been looking hard enough.

Also, if it is in, how big is it?

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	14-10-2001 03:03									#2
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They'd be very, very stupid not to include one.

	14-10-2001 03:04									#3
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Yes.

	14-10-2001 03:08									#4
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CTP 2 also had a worldmap. You could build 2 cities in Britain.

I hope they include a slightly larger worldmap

	14-10-2001 04:11									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Assur CTP 2 also had a worldmap. You could build 2 cities in Britain. I hope they include a slightly larger worldmap

Actually, I read somewhere that you'll be able to build around 20 cities in Britain, using the civ3 Earth map.

	14-10-2001 04:17									#6
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That was on the hugest possible size, which will be made available by fans soon after release. We dont know if one is shipping with the game.

	14-10-2001 04:35									#7
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If not, we'll make one.

There are lots of people into making good maps, even an amateur like me. I didn't like the Europe map that came with Civ II (too much of Asia in it), so I made my own. I soon discovered several better Europe maps on various sites (Apolyton, CivFanatics).

Should they include one? Sure. But if not, we have lots of resources at our disposal, including the (hopefully) easy to use map editor.

	14-10-2001 04:45									#8
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It would be nice to have some confirmation. I honestly cannot see the fun in playing historically accurate civilisations on anything but an Earth map.

Bkeela.

	14-10-2001 04:51									#9
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a world map? come on how could they NOT include a world map. it's so basic and essential to the civ series. i mean COME ON, its the year 2001. Thats like...leaving something like multiplayer out! oh wait...

	14-10-2001 05:37									#10
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quote: Originally posted by FuFu15 a world map? come on how could they NOT include a world map. it's so basic and essential to the civ series. i mean COME ON, its the year 2001. Thats like...leaving something like multiplayer out! oh wait...

no, it would be worse

i hate that ctp had no earth map and i've never seen one for the mac version

	14-10-2001 05:43									#11
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I hope so. I play on World Maps a lot more than whatever.

	14-10-2001 06:23									#12
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quote: Originally posted by d_dudy no, it would be worse i hate that ctp had no earth map and i've never seen one for the mac version

CTP didn't ship with world maps, but Activision did eventually create some for download, as I recall.

	14-10-2001 06:58									#13
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quote: Originally posted by FuFu15 a world map? come on how could they NOT include a world map. it's so basic and essential to the civ series. i mean COME ON, its the year 2001. Thats like...leaving something like multiplayer out! oh wait...

every post ive seen u make is a flame towards firaxis or another poster here... u need some help.

	14-10-2001 07:02									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Zanzin CTP didn't ship with world maps, but Activision did eventually create some for download, as I recall.

once again: i've never seen one for the mac

	14-10-2001 07:27									#15
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Does it matter if they include a world map?

The map they included with Civ2 was so disturbingly horrible they might as well not have put it in. We'd probably be better off if they leave it out so no one has to endure such geographic monstrocities. Those maps could have been made in the 1200s for as acurate as they are.

I made what i consider an excellent world map for Civ2, named Real World, it is available at CivFanatics. I sent it to Apolyton half a dozen times but they never put it up. Grrr. Real Europe is the best Europe map too, not mine though.

So no matter if they have a map or not I'll do a better, more accurate version when it comes out.

	14-10-2001 12:03									#16
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Think of it this way: would you rather wait three weeks so they can design a kick-ass earth map, incorporate it into the Civ and then ship it to the publisher OR would you like to get the game shipped now, and while we wait the three weeks for it to be published they make a kick-ass earth map and issue a patch the same week they release the game? Well? WELL?

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	14-10-2001 12:16									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Bkeela It would be nice to have some confirmation. I honestly cannot see the fun in playing historically accurate civilisations on anything but an Earth map. Bkeela.

I usually use the world map, but if I want to do some expansion without really knowing where I am, I'll download a non-historical map (I never use the land-ribbon maps generated by the game). The player always has the advantage of knowing where the large landmasses are on a world map.

	14-10-2001 12:28									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Assur CTP 2 also had a worldmap. You could build 2 cities in Britain. I hope they include a slightly larger worldmap

That Activision World Map was the WORST world map I ever SEEN.
COMPLETLY inaqurate!

Still, players have made some nice World Maps for CTP2 & CTP.

	14-10-2001 15:42									#19
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quote: Originally posted by JellyDonut I never use the land-ribbon maps generated by the game

At least we wont need to worry about that in Civ 3
I actually looked at all the screenshots i could find from Civ 3, all the maps look pretty decent. Yay

	14-10-2001 18:05									#20
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Decent? The map generator screen alone looks gorgeous.

http://www.multiplayer.it/show.php3...1500/s_img7.jpg

	14-10-2001 18:38									#21
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You know, what I really would like is a "risk-like" world map,
pretty similar to the world map but slightly bigger and more detailed in the more sensitive spots...
what i mean is a little less of Sahara, Tibet, Siberia (with all the respect for those places and the relative inhibitants) and more Europe, Middle East, India, Far East.
I mean, I can't have a decent Japan or England on a "real world map" civ game, can I?
A kind of "interest lens" to enlarge the more crowdy spots.
What do you think?

	14-10-2001 20:26									#22
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well, it's not an earth map if it's unrealistic


and with recources everything's important now

	14-10-2001 20:55									#23
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If they want to ship a world map with the game, fine with me. I will play some games on it probably but I don't think a real world map is essential to Civ. Though it looks pretty stupid if they leave it out, is it so much work to make it? And of course the community will offer new 'more realistic' maps as soon as the games comes out.

	14-10-2001 21:09									#24
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quote: Originally posted by JellyDonut I usually use the world map, but if I want to do some expansion without really knowing where I am, I'll download a non-historical map (I never use the land-ribbon maps generated by the game). The player always has the advantage of knowing where the large landmasses are on a world map.

Thankfully no more long twisting continents like in Civ II. Much better world generator as far as I can tell.

When playing on a world map I try to... pretend I don't know where everything is (and my geography isn't very good, anyway!)

One thing I didn't like from Civ II and still appears to be in Civ III is the fact that you know where you are on the map. Until civilizations had astronomy and had expanded, they didn't know where they were. All maps should look as if your civilization is at the center of the world to begin... at least to begin.

	14-10-2001 21:17									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Lorizael Thankfully no more long twisting continents like in Civ II. Much better world generator as far as I can tell. [...] . All maps should look as if your civilization is at the center of the world to begin... at least to begin.

I definitely agree. Twice.

	15-10-2001 00:05									#26
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Here's something to think about:
The Iroquois need horses for their special unit, but if they start in the New World, there won't be any horses available at all! By the time they or someone else gets map making and finally secures some horses, the special unit will be irrelevant!
How's Firaxis gonna deal with this? They might have to make resources randomly placed, even on Earth, or just drop a horse square somewhere in North America.

	15-10-2001 00:10									#27
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I don't know how behind the times I am, but at civfanatics, in the civ2 download section, go to new maps, and you'll find what I think to be THE BEST world map for a civ game I've ever seen. It's called "duck of flanders" map or something like that. Just look for the real world one.

What the creator did was take off all the land just below the tip of South America, and about halfway through siberia, he/she cut off everything above. This results in the negative, no north pole, or even sailing ships around the north pole, but on the plus side, it adds SO MUCH more land to the "important" areas, while not deforming the map.

For instance, on places like Japan and the UK, you can fit 4 well developed cities, with areas of influence not even touching.

It's not a perfect map, and you still have the same problem that the civ2 engine supports the bigger is always better setup for civs, but it's a lot of fun to play multiplayer on, as it's the most realistic map I've yet seen.

	15-10-2001 00:15									#28
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Well, if there's some kind of resource randomizer, then they could get horses quite easily...

If they improved the map generator, I'll be happy. No more long, twisting continents or one-square deserts...

	15-10-2001 00:48									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Cluk Here's something to think about : The Iroquois need horses for their special unit, but if they start in the New World, there won't be any horses available at all! By the time they or someone else gets map making and finally secures some horses, the special unit will be irrelevant! How's Firaxis gonna deal with this? They might have to make resources randomly placed, even on Earth, or just drop a horse square somewhere in North America.

Dan said that there would be horses in America even though it is not historically accurate. This is one case in which gameplay overrides realism.

	15-10-2001 01:29									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Bkeela It would be nice to have some confirmation. I honestly cannot see the fun in playing historically accurate civilisations on anything but an Earth map. Bkeela.

Do not be concerned about playing historically accurate civilizations -- It won't happen. The history in the game you are playing will quickly become "unhistorical".
For this reason, I do not need an accurate world map. It IS nice to know the geography, though!

Even with Civ2, if you play with the world generation controls right, you can get away from the ribbon continents.