15-10-2001 17:29									#1
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No Demo.
No Multiplayer. (till now)
Less number of civilizations.
No wonder movies.

Although all we know the new improvements of Civ III, there are some limitations, even before the game is released, that is a bad sign.

Armies, bombarding, leaders and an extensive diplomacy were concepts that CTP and CTP 2 had, so they are not very original in Civ III.

We all know CTP and CTP2 had other concept of the game, and from my point of view they were horrible to play because of the lack of balance.

The impressive sea and space colonies won't be in Civ III, armies will be restricted to the owning of leaders, ... Also there will be less terrain types than in CTP and CTP 2.

But I am optimist, I trust Firaxis will publish a lot of interesting add-ons and patches, new units, civs, scenarios, maps, mods, rules ... which will open the possibilities to the infinite, like in Civ II was did.

Who thinks like me?

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	15-10-2001 17:32									#2
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Not me. I think Firaxis, as they admit, are focussing on the SP game and this will be a great experience, which as you mention CTP and CTP2 weren't.

	15-10-2001 17:34									#3
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I haven't seen any news about the game that I consider "bad". So I guess I won't vote.

	15-10-2001 18:01									#4
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No Demo - No need. There will be reviews of the game for those that can wait till the 'New Game' syndrome has worn off, or warez for those that cant wait.
No Multiplayer - I play SP. I do feel sorry for the MP only people though.
Less number of civilizations - But they are not all generic civs with just a different name. Quality, not quantity.
No wonder movies - and im glad they're gone

	15-10-2001 18:12									#5
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Where is the "Yes, but I can handle it" option?

	15-10-2001 18:15									#6
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Less number of civs? Aren't we at 16 per game?

	15-10-2001 18:18									#7
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The only bad news is some of the tribes Firaxis chose to include. The retail price isn't exactly good news either.

	15-10-2001 18:35									#8
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I don't really care about the demo since it's not the game itself. I'm not really judging the game for someting that's not in the game. Even if a demo may be cool for those who do not get the game, but it has no influence on the game.

Secondly, I think it's a good thing to not have "wonder movies". Reasons? Same as Firaxis. I think that in this case, they made what was best. It'll only be a little less space on hard drives.


MULTIPLAYER: Well there is the problem... I like playing against people. Should it be in any game, I like playing against people more than AI.

So I'd be between the two choices of votes here.

	15-10-2001 22:16									#9
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Where are those "granujas" Mongols?
And the glorious Spanish?
And the Carthaginians, the Vikings and the Celts?

And there are no Incas or Amazonic tribes to fill South America in the bad distributed Civ World.

I agree, no demo is not a problem, and no multiplayer is a problem which will be solved.

But what makes me really angry is the fact that the good things of the others are partially in CIV III, making CIV III only partially superior and it has to be the BEST.

When I heard about the project of CIV III I thought it will be released in 2002, and when I noticed it will be released this year I thought it couldn't be possible. Now I know the lack of time is the cause of those all problems above.

To sum up, CIV III will be uncomplete because it has been released too soon in time.

	15-10-2001 22:26									#10
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As long as it's better than Civ2, I'm happy

	15-10-2001 22:48									#11
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Okay there is no demo, no mp, no movie wonders.
But an the other sidee there are cool new feature: better graphic, culture, a better trade system, a resource system, you can play with more civs at the same time. And a good thing that there no delay like many other games.
My resume: The positive news are really dominating. I am happy, especially when I will have a copy of the game to play

	15-10-2001 23:55									#12
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Less Civs? I don't mind having only 16 Civs since I can have them all present in one game

I am looking forward to this... the Cossack looks cool

	16-10-2001 00:51									#13
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So what?

It's a civ game by Sid Meier and I have faith in him and Firaxis.

	16-10-2001 00:51									#14
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I am not disappointed that there is a limited number of civ's from which to chose from. I hardly played some of the civ's that were in civ2.

The wonder movies not present doesn't bother me that much either. Although it is nice to see a wonder movie the first time you build a wonder the novelty wears off after you have seen it 3 or 4 times. But that's just my opinion.

MP or lack thereof. Now that's a different problem. I would settle for hotseat but I don't think even that is available. However, no MP is not going to stop me from buying the game. And you know that if a multiplayer addon or patch becomes available many of us would probably be willing to shell out money for it.

	16-10-2001 01:25									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Yoleus Less number of civs? Aren't we at 16 per game?

Less civs overall

	16-10-2001 02:45									#16
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The CTP games had tons of civs to choose from, but they were all the same. Even Alpha Centauri only had 7 civs originally, and an additional 7 with its XP Alien Crossfire. So 16 unique civs far outweighs a million civs that are all the same.

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	16-10-2001 03:06									#17
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Any civ you want to make and put in the game can be easily created with the supplied editor. No need to worry about civs.

	16-10-2001 03:12									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Gramphos Where is the "Yes, but I can handle it" option?

I'm with you Gramphos.

But I'd have liked a demo just to reassure me that the AI rocks.

David

	16-10-2001 03:16									#19
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I personally think that all of the new good things outweigh the few bad things Firaxis has done. Really, the only bad thing you mentioned was Firaxis and its PR on multiplay. Why don't you talk about all the new concepts and systems Civ III has?

I would but it would take too long. The game will be great, have faith in the greatest game series of all time.

	16-10-2001 05:26									#20
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it would be nice to have wondder movies and the like, but i think it will be great without them...

	16-10-2001 05:30									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Kramsib Too bad news. No Demo. No Multiplayer. (till now) Less number of civilizations. No wonder movies.

Rubbish. That's all good news to me.

	16-10-2001 06:48									#22
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No Demo. No problem. I only get a demo to see if I want to get the game. I already know I will get this game.

No Multiplayer. Delayed so they can do a better job with it. The alternative is to delay SP as well. I'd rather have SP ASAP.

Less number of civilizations. 16 civs in one game equals 9 more than Civ II.

No wonder movies. Turned them off in Civ II after seeing them all at least once.

So, uh... what's the bad news?

Crisis? What crisis?

	16-10-2001 08:02									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Falconius Crisis? What crisis?

You know, the one over there ------>

Oop! Guess it never was there in the first place

	16-10-2001 08:24									#24
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i and most poeple on the boards agree, falconius

	16-10-2001 08:35									#25
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Is this anything like 'Two Live Crew'?