18-10-2001 11:44									#1
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I was just looking at this pic and was noticing the line of site of these cities- looks like they are +1 of the cultural border. Hmm, nice


I think

	18-10-2001 12:01									#2
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I hate fog of war, i hope it can be turned off.

	18-10-2001 12:26									#3
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quote: Originally posted by Alex 14 I hate fog of war, i hope it can be turned off.

I wouldn't count on that any time soon. FoW has always been in CIV, and I don't ever remember seeing a non-cheat/editor way of turning it off.

	18-10-2001 16:21									#4
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I think FOW makes the game more realastic and interesting.

	18-10-2001 17:39									#5
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I love Fog of War, it makes things more interresting and surprising.
It also creates the need for patrols or intelligence gathering of enemy movements.

	18-10-2001 18:02									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Deathwalker I think FOW makes the game more realastic and interesting.

yeah, and anything else is entirely unrealistic. how would you know what's out there unless you see it? that's what fog of war is

	18-10-2001 23:42									#7
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I'm a bit annoyed you can actually SEE the fog.

I don't like that, it makes the world look dull.

	18-10-2001 23:48									#8
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I thought it was said that you could see everything inside of your borders, so that you wouldn't have any fog in there.

	18-10-2001 23:48									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Faboba I'm a bit annoyed you can actually SEE the fog. I don't like that, it makes the world look dull.

Well, on the other hand, it makes you realize there are areas where opponents might be, though you you can't see 'em.

In civ2 areas within and outside your control had the same view. With a visible fog of war you know what you need to check and what not.

	19-10-2001 00:44									#10
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One of the best implementations of FOW was in Machiavelli the Prince...the map had an overlay of how you thought the world looked...the farther away you got from Venice (main city), the less accurate the map would be.

	19-10-2001 03:52									#11
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I like the FOW in Civ2 where there aren't areas that look like clouds are overhead, only the blackout. In SMAC and (appears to be) Civ3 have the black out part (this is good) but they have the cloudy part (this is bad). I'm not sure if anybody will have an idea of what I'm explaining; hopefully somebody will.

	19-10-2001 04:04									#12
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I like FOW when it comes to enemy-units.

I don't like FOW when it comes to geography.

In SMAC I would always start with the map explored and the mystery would be where the enemy is, not how far I had to move to get to the sea.

-Alech

	19-10-2001 04:48									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Faboba I'm a bit annoyed you can actually SEE the fog. I don't like that, it makes the world look dull.

You could toggle fog of war in SMAC; it would grey out those squares that are outside your LOS if selected otherwise it wouldn't. It didn't mean you could see units outside of your line of sight though...

	19-10-2001 09:18									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Anunikoba I was just looking at this pic and was noticing the line of site of these cities- looks like they are +1 of the cultural border. Hmm, nice :b

Just to be pedantic, that's not LOS (line of sight). That's vision/sight range.

LOS is a tactical game term. It determines whether you can get a shot at an enemy unit, and has nothing to do with whether you know the existence of an enemy unit or not.

	19-10-2001 10:47									#15
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Thanx for the pedantry

	19-10-2001 12:05									#16
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The fog must be visible! Like in CTP. I want to know what I can see and what I can't easily and visually, one drawback to Civ2 with its uniform view was that I couldn't always tell what I could and couldn't see. Don't get me wrong - I like patrolling areas. Only I want to know which areas are in need of patrol.

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quote: Originally posted by Akaoz I like FOW when it comes to enemy-units. I don't like FOW when it comes to geography. In SMAC I would always start with the map explored and the mystery would be where the enemy is, not how far I had to move to get to the sea. -Alech

Hmmm... Funny how opinions differ. As for me, exploring the unknown world is one of the nicest things to do in Civ.

Somehow I always feel pity when there's nothing left to explore.

	22-10-2001 16:32									#18
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Heh, my girlfriend feels exactly the same way... She loves exploring too.

-Alech

	22-10-2001 19:01									#19
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quote: Originally posted by The Templar The fog must be visible! Like in CTP. I want to know what I can see and what I can't easily and visually, one drawback to Civ2 with its uniform view was that I couldn't always tell what I could and couldn't see. Don't get me wrong - I like patrolling areas. Only I want to know which areas are in need of patrol.

talking about border patrol, I wonder if we can assign way points to some units, and have them go around the border automattically attacking enemy and report the sighting of any suspecious units.

	22-10-2001 19:25									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Dida talking about border patrol, I wonder if we can assign way points to some units, and have them go around the border automattically attacking enemy and report the sighting of any suspecious units.

I love the idea of waypoints.