20-10-2001 09:08									#1
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Well I have never seen the AI Use special units like clerics, eco-rangers, ecoterrorist, or corporate branches, so I decided to go into strategies and give goals like create park, franchise, convert ETC....... values over 600000 for economic(corporate Branches) and Ecotopian(ecorangers, ecoterrorist, and clerics) civs. Well then I started a new game and gave ecotopian civs everything up to future advance 5 and 2 or 3 size 60 + cities with almost all the buildings and some ecorangers and I gave myself some pollution heavy size 60 + cities and 15 to 20 turns later they used their ecoranger on a size one city.

I also changed the goal create park so that it has target owners of hot enemy cold enemy neutral and no contact since it seems to make sense that they would use the ecoranger on any city as long as it's polluting heavily.

Is their any way to make this goal only work for polluting cities becuase they used their ecoranger on a size 1 city with no polution instead of my cities which had 1000 + pollution.

here's the file:

Attachment: mm2_strategies.txt
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	20-10-2001 15:46									#2
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quote: Originally posted by Cube Well I have never seen the AI Use special units like clerics, eco-rangers, ecoterrorist, or corporate branches, so I decided to go into strategies and give goals like create park, franchise, convert ETC....... values over 600000 for economic(corporate Branches) and Ecotopian(ecorangers, ecoterrorist, and clerics) civs. Well then I started a new game and gave ecotopian civs everything up to future advance 5 and 2 or 3 size 60 + cities with almost all the buildings and some ecorangers and I gave myself some pollution heavy size 60 + cities and 15 to 20 turns later they used their ecoranger on a size one city. I also changed the goal create park so that it has target owners of hot enemy cold enemy neutral and no contact since it seems to make sense that they would use the ecoranger on any city as long as it's polluting heavily. Is their any way to make this goal only work for polluting cities becuase they used their ecoranger on a size 1 city with no polution instead of my cities which had 1000 + pollution. here's the file:

One think about Corp. Branches & Franchising:
IT DOSN'T WORK.
The only think you get is one little icon on enemies cities.
You don't get ANY befefit, nor enemy losses anything.
(Still clerics work very well)

I also noticed that enemy dosn't expell anytnig, Lawyer doesn't sue anything, & AI's corp. Branch doesn't do anything.

I think is not good to make parks with neutral or cold enemy since
park is considered to be declaration of war & atrocity, so if AI wants peace
he would send eco-rangers anyway which isn't good. It is weapon of war not cold war weapon like pirating or stealing techs.

Still I succeded to add some additional goals in goals.txt:

code:

GOAL_ADVERTISING {
  AvoidWatchfulCity

  SquadClass:Special  

  TargetType:City
  TargetOwner:HotEnemy

  Execute	ORDER_ADVERTISE
 
  ThreatBonus			  100
  EnemyValueBonus		  100
  AlliedValueBonus		    0
  PowerBonus			    0
  DistanceToHomeBonus	    0
  DistanceToEnemyBonus	    0
  ChokePointBonus		  100
  UnexploredBonus	  -999999
  ObsoleteArmyBonus		    0
  TreaspassingArmyBonus     0

  ThreatenType:SpecialAttackCity
  ThreatenBonus 5000

  ForceMatch:Special
}

GOAL_INCITE_UPRISING {
  AvoidWatchfulCity

  SquadClass:Special  

  TargetType:City
  TargetOwner:HotEnemy

  Execute	ORDER_INCITE_UPRISING
 
  ThreatBonus			  -50
  EnemyValueBonus		  100
  AlliedValueBonus		  100
  PowerBonus			    0
  DistanceToHomeBonus	    0
  DistanceToEnemyBonus	    0
  ChokePointBonus		  100
  UnexploredBonus	  -999999
  ObsoleteArmyBonus		    0
  TreaspassingArmyBonus     0

  ThreatenType:SpecialAttackCity
  ThreatenBonus 5000

  ForceMatch:Special
}

GOAL_POISON_CITY {
  AvoidWatchfulCity

  SquadClass:Special

  TargetType:City
  TargetOwner:HotEnemy

  Execute	ORDER_PLAGUE

  ThreatBonus			  -50
  EnemyValueBonus		  100
  AlliedValueBonus		    0
  PowerBonus			    0
  DistanceToHomeBonus	    0
  DistanceToEnemyBonus	    0
  ChokePointBonus		    0
  UnexploredBonus	  -999999
  ObsoleteArmyBonus		    0
  TreaspassingArmyBonus     0

  ThreatenTypeestroyCity
  ThreatenBonus 5000

  ForceMatch:Special
} 

	20-10-2001 15:47									#3
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	21-10-2001 00:34									#4
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Actually corporate branch does work, once I franchised about twenty or so cities, and my military support cost went down. But it wasn't much of a decrease.

The way I see it when they become ecotopians any civ that is polluting heavily, will become they're enemy no matter what their previous regard for them was before ecotopia. This way if you have good relation with an Ecotopian, but are polluting heavily, they might attack you. I'm thinking of lowering the priority for create park since now it's at 830000 just below settling.

For the Expelling you could make a new goal and use order expel. Advertise should also be cold enemy, unless it causes war.

	21-10-2001 00:55									#5
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I'am not shure about Advertising, but I'll check, in fact I copied clerics
SOOTSAY priorities.

About Franchising I don't know I checked and saw that enemies dosn't loose anything and I looked my military costs & pw and they didn't changed.
Are you sure about that, test is again, please.

	21-10-2001 01:26									#6
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Yes, it should be a cold war attack (advertising).

Expel goal allready has the expel order but it dosn't work.
I tried with new indentical goal too (GOAL_EXPEL1)
The same thing happens for sue order (both city & unit versions),
and for franchising order.
Other orders work perfectly!

Does anybody have any idea?

P. S. I don't think that goal selection can be influenced by pollution level.

	21-10-2001 19:18									#7
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quote: Originally posted by player1 About Franchising I don't know I checked and saw that enemies dosn't loose anything and I looked my military costs & pw and they didn't changed. Are you sure about that, test is again, please.

To test it you could use a game with many AIs and establish in all AI cities a franchise by the cheat editor. From the const.txt it should steal production. You should search for this line in the const.txt and increase the effect:

code:

FRANCHISE_EFFECT 0.1    # How much production a franchise steals

	21-10-2001 22:49									#8
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I know that when I did this that line was at about 20-30 % instead of 10%. I've got a game with medmod v1.1 that's in 2170 but I changed the uniticon file so that it would work with version 2, I'll see if i can get it to work. The thing is in this game I'm the most productive civ, and the other civs are pathetic production wise. Well I'll check I know there are at least 9 civs left and over 70 cities.


ThreatBonus 100
EnemyValueBonus 100
AlliedValueBonus -30
PowerBonus -30
DistanceToHomeBonus 10
DistanceToEnemyBonus -10

does any one know what these lines do.

From what I read in the modification section of apolyton's CTP 2 site, enemy value is supposed to give a bonus depending on how valuable the target is to the enemy. Is that right? So if I raised this value would it make them more likely to turn larger cities into parks?

	21-10-2001 23:55									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Cube I know that when I did this that line was at about 20-30 % instead of 10%. I've got a game with medmod v1.1 that's in 2170 but I changed the uniticon file so that it would work with version 2, I'll see if i can get it to work. The thing is in this game I'm the most productive civ, and the other civs are pathetic production wise. Well I'll check I know there are at least 9 civs left and over 70 cities. ThreatBonus 100 EnemyValueBonus 100 AlliedValueBonus -30 PowerBonus -30 DistanceToHomeBonus 10 DistanceToEnemyBonus -10 does any one know what these lines do. From what I read in the modification section of apolyton's CTP 2 site, enemy value is supposed to give a bonus depending on how valuable the target is to the enemy. Is that right? So if I raised this value would it make them more likely to turn larger cities into parks?

There is an old post which has many information about this question.
I thnik it was a Conversations with Richard Myers (Azmel).
The post is from April or March.

	22-10-2001 00:10									#10
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Power, Enemy, Threat & Allied bonuses are scaled bonuses,
so if goal is a goal with maximum Enemy Value it would get 100 points
if goals is goal with 50% of maximum Enemy Value it would get 50 points
if goals is goal with very little Enemy Value it would get almost 0 points

Distance bonus is multiplied with distance from center of enemy (or yours) empire.

Than, all these bonuses are added to value in startegies.txt

For more information look at thread I talked about.