20-10-2001 12:05									#1
	World map hasn't got New Zealand in it, why? Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

If you look closely at both versions of the world map, you'll notice there is no NZ map, tho I think there is a tiny wee one square? piece of land, I'm not sure, either way, isn't this so ridiculous and wrong? If you're gonna do this, why didn't you take out Japan, Madagascar, all of UK aswell? our land is bigger than all of them!

and we are NOT AUSTRALIA, is Canada America? is Japan China?

	20-10-2001 12:10									#2
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You can always open the world map in the editor and put it in.
As to why NZ isn't in the default world map- only Firaxis could tell you that.

	20-10-2001 12:46									#3
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sheep isn't a resource.

	20-10-2001 12:50									#4
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Newfoundland is smaller than New Zealand so I guess we're not on the map either. *sigh* It's okay - as long as there's space in Korea for a couple of cities.

	20-10-2001 13:34									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Rakki (from Australia) sheep isn't a resource.

*Groan*


I know what small continent/large island I'm going to be using as a nuke testing zone in my first Civ3 game

Altough I'd probably just get laughed at if I mentioned I had a pet sheep about 12 years ago....

Blake. (from New Zealand)

	20-10-2001 13:38									#6
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AAAA pet sheep!!! L L - I used to eat them in my native land. Which brings me neatly to my point. I hope Iceland is a tiny bit correctly located this time!

	20-10-2001 14:03									#7
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to be serious though, something the size of New Zealand being put on the world map would be nothing more than a shipping navigational hazard.

okay, not that serious

Rakki (from the land of 3 eyed wombats and truck-proof kangaroos)

	20-10-2001 14:05									#8
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Is New Zealand that important for you?
Well, if you live there, then it's understandable.

Perhaps I should agree with you.

	20-10-2001 14:09									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Rasbelin Is New Zealand that important for you?

I can only image the look on his face if it disappeared from under his feet NOW!

	20-10-2001 14:14									#10
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No no, New Zealand couldn't be a shipping navigation hazard because ships have no reason to come down here!

I for one will not be bothered if New Zealand isn't on the 'Small world map', but I hope it gets atleast half a dozen tiles in the 'Big world map. Not as if the southern oceans are overcrowded with countries...

	20-10-2001 14:18									#11
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Is Australia on it?

	20-10-2001 14:49									#12
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Ras, how would you feel if they put a big ocean right where Finland is?

It's not a terrible thing, but it's not good either, we're an advanced country

	20-10-2001 17:03									#13
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HAHAHAHA!

	20-10-2001 17:28									#14
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Hey, Finland has always been too small in civ maps!

and in other maps too..

	20-10-2001 18:09									#15
	Re: World map hasn't got New Zealand in it, why? Increase the size of your Attachments

quote: Originally posted by Sn00py and we are NOT AUSTRALIA

Yeah, but you know you want to be

Maybe someone will fit you on in the 256x256 map

	20-10-2001 18:14									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Alex 14 Is Australia on it?

Of course.... now if only they included a civilisation to occupy the land

	20-10-2001 18:22									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Sn00py Ras, how would you feel if they put a big ocean right where Finland is?

Nah, not bad. I have always wanted a large swimming pool.

quote: It's not a terribly thing, but it's not good either, we're an advanced country

New Zealand an advanced country?
Could someone confirm this independently?

	20-10-2001 18:28									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Jusbaummer Hey, Finland has always been too small in civ maps! and in other maps too..

Are you one of those Suur-Suomi ("Great Finland")
idealists?

	20-10-2001 19:10									#19
	How many New Zealand tiles would be fair? Got spare money?

(nerd mode)

I just did some calculations to find out what would be fair.

The total surface area of the Earth is 510,000,000 km^2.
The land area of New Zealand is 268,670 km^2.

This means that NZ occupies 1/1898th part of the globe. (BTW: it ranks 75th in the list of countries.)

So on a 10,000 tiles map (100x100), NZ would be entitled to 5.27 tiles. Because of the distorted projection (remember how Greenland seems much bigger on world maps than it really is), 6 or even 7 tiles seems reasonable.

On a 32,400 tiles map (180x180), the outcome would be 17.07 tiles. For the abovementioned reason, anything up to 20 tiles would seem reasonable.



Edit: An additional reason why more than 5 (or 17) tiles would be reasonable, is the fact that huge parts of the globe -- the polar areas -- are left out, or so I suppose.

(/nerd mode)

Last edited by Oldenbarnevelt on 20-10-2001 at 19:19