22-10-2001 17:47									#31
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No tutorial for me neither...

Sure, I'll make many mistakes, but I'll just pretend to be an incompetent Roman emperor while the AI burns down Rome

	22-10-2001 17:54									#32
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Totural...who needs that one? It's more interesting just to jump right into the game...

Did I have a totural to find out how my computer works...NO, I had to figure everything out by myself...ok, my computer crashed a couple of times (read: many), but hey, you learn by mistakes (and crashes )

The totural makes me feel and makes me

	22-10-2001 18:31									#33
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Normally, I would not use the tutorial. I usually only use the tutorial on games that I am completely unfamiliar with. However looking at the tutorial screenshot at GamesDomain, I think I will take a look at it after I jump into the game.

	22-10-2001 18:42									#34
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Sometimes you can really learn very important things with the tutorial, things that you would normally only find after you had played a lot of times!!

So i think i'll use the tutorial, just to get used to the new interface - knowing where things are, then and only then i'll jump to the game, and start one of the happiest day of my life!!

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and Pedro Álvares Cabral (Discoverer of Brazil in 1500)

	22-10-2001 19:48									#35
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I would not know what I do untill I sit down and start playing the game. In the past, I usually end up throwing the manual away and play the tutorial. Actually, MS Excel worked after I threw the manual into the trash can, but that's another program, and a Microsoft program to boot.

	22-10-2001 20:20									#36
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Absolutely. I believe that tutorials (in their variations) are a must for all strategy games. I tend to be much more anal retentive than most in that I will go through the tutorial more than once before I play for real and I will devore the manual cover to cover before I even play the tutorial.

This is just my way of getting into a game, slow and steady, which has the advantage of sticking with me far longer than the typical fast and furious approach that leads to burnout.

	22-10-2001 20:29									#37
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What I'll probably end up doing is playing my first game on Chieftan (does that count as a tutorial ) just to get a feel for the interface and new features.

Then either part way through that game or after completing it, I will move to a higher level and play for real. This is the same thing I did for SMAC and CTP and it seems to allow a good introduction to the game but palying on the easy level allows you to experiment more and find out how the game works.

	22-10-2001 20:44									#38
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quote: Originally posted by donarumo What I'll probably end up doing is playing my first game on Chieftan (does that count as a tutorial ) just to get a feel for the interface and new features. Then either part way through that game or after completing it, I will move to a higher level and play for real. This is the same thing I did for SMAC and CTP and it seems to allow a good introduction to the game but palying on the easy level allows you to experiment more and find out how the game works.

I totally agree with you!

Playing in the easiest difficulty level allows us to experiment various things, and do things that in the higher difficulty levels you wouldn't dare (lose time and resources), so you can experiment a lot and even play around with the AI so that some situation you want to test is more easy to get (aldo there are things that only happen in higher difficulty levels).

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	22-10-2001 21:07									#39
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i generally play by trial and error, and play the tutorial only if i run into a problem

	22-10-2001 21:21									#40
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I'm going to play the tutorial. If it is too basic and uninteresting I will, of course, skip it. The reason for doing the tutorial is that I really want to play the first game on Prince with 16 Civs. I don't mind losing that game. I just don't want to play chieftain or warlord because I think those levels are going to be too easy even for the first time U play.

I really don't want to see all there is to see from the game in my first try. So the tut will make me confortable to play a decent Prince-16 Civ game.

PS: First time I played CTP on the first level, even not understanding half of the game I beat the computer building every wonder and basically lost interest in the game...

	22-10-2001 21:29									#41
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It's the same for me. I'll install the game, choose huge map on price + 15 enemies. Maybe choose Russians, but not sure yet. I'll use the manual when I bump into a situation where I can help myself any longer
Did the same whit SMAC (not 16 civs though ) and it worked out quite well...

	22-10-2001 21:30									#42
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I may not use the tutorial. The good thing about TBS games is that you have the luxury of time... and I can use that just to explore and find out things on my own. If I ever get stuck, I might revert to it, but I'm going to be so excited to play the game, I don't think I could sit through the tutorial.

	22-10-2001 23:20									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Jason Beaudoin The good thing about TBS games is that you have the luxury of time...

Oh yeah, that is the best part of TBS games, in most other games when pressing pause key, all other menues freeze, which is kinda annoying when wanting to spend some time "surfing" the menus to figure out where to do what

	22-10-2001 23:38									#44
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The benefit of time and an autosave feature, best way to avoid making mistakes. But I may go through the Tutorial just to see how the interface works, but I doubt I'll finish it. I never have finished a game tutorial yet without getting bored.

BTW I like the way you've got around the custom avatar rules JayKay.

David

	23-10-2001 02:15									#45
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I hope there is either a specific tutorial scenario that is challenging in its own way or, even better, a 'tutorial option' (extra advice and such) that can be turned on at every difficulty level. Then I would play my first game on King or Emperor, but with tutorial 'on'.

I prefer 'learning by doing', but I still want to avoid unnecessary mistakes.

	23-10-2001 02:45									#46
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Sadly, the designer's notes is what I always read first when I get a Civ game. Then I jump in head-first and try not to impale myself on the monitor.

	23-10-2001 13:40									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Crouchback BTW I like the way you've got around the custom avatar rules JayKay. David

Thanks Crouchback!!

What does BTW stands for?

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and Pedro Álvares Cabral (Discoverer of Brazil in 1500)

	23-10-2001 13:47									#48
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By The Way

Oh, and I hate your sig

	23-10-2001 15:22									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Assur Oh, and I hate your sig

Too Bad!! Because i'm not going to change it!!

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	23-10-2001 17:01									#50
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I'm pretty sure Brazil was there before him. He just pointed out where it was on the map

"We of the British Empire have come to claim this desolate and uninhabitated la..."

"Excuse me"

"Yes what is it? Can't you see I'm busy?"

"Well. This land isn't uninhabitated. We live here ( hold up native certificate of authenticity) This is our country"

"Oh I see.......... Have you got a FLAG?"

"No."

"Well you can't have a country! No flag, no country. That's the rules I just...... made up"

- Vaguely paraphrased from Eddie Izzard

	23-10-2001 18:08									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Faboba I'm pretty sure Brazil was there before him. He just pointed out where it was on the map

So...what's your point?

He discovered it, because it wasn't knowed yet by the knowed world!

He didn't "just pointed out"! You can still make that today, and that doesn't mean you are doing anything new!

By your order of ideas then Electricity wasn't discovered because it already existed in the thunders!

So perhaps nothing was discovered? See what i mean?

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Vasco da Gama (Discoverer of the Maritime path to India);
and Pedro Álvares Cabral (Discoverer of Brazil in 1500)

	23-10-2001 18:12									#52
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I'll want to find out for sure exactly how combat, trade and culture really do work in the release version of the game. If I've not had time to read all about it in the manual on the way back from the shop, then I might consider the tutorial. Probably more likely to do so if it comes in chapters so I can skip the 'this is your first settler' bit and move straight to the technicalities.

	23-10-2001 19:19									#53
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I will use the in game tutorial rather than a separate 'saved game' one. I.E. the pop up message that says 'This would make a good place to build a city'. Then I can tell it to get lost and do my own thing!

	23-10-2001 19:52									#54
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quote: Originally posted by connorkimbro what about you, do you usually do the tutorials, or do you learn by trial and error? Do you plan on using the civ3 tutorial?

The last I have used a tutorial must be in The Sims
( yeah, I have played it, am I a geek now? ),
the last game I have actually bought.
Tutorials are handy in new games that are
a bit more complicated than Tetris and Mahjong.

Honestly, if the Civ III tutorial is good, I'm
sure that I'm going to let the tutorial work as my
guide into the new world of Civ III. Or then I still
might just stick to the BTE's handbook(s) and
printed techmap.

	23-10-2001 20:13									#55
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I will definitely allow the tutorial to roll for the first game (on Chieftain)...until I get to that point where I feel like the tutorial isn't teaching me anything...then off it goes! I will use it basically to teach me what does what, and what is what, etc. After that I will hope that I remember what the buttons do and I will roll out to do battle with the powers of at least Prince level...maybe higher. Unless of course I find that I am completely lost...then I will play two games and hope I do not get so frustrated that I loose interest in the game.....of course Sid Meier would never do that to me!

	23-10-2001 21:13									#56
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As I recall, the Civ2 tutorial walked you through the first few turns of the game, but around the time you founded your second city, it basically said something like 'Well now you know how to play. Keep expanding, building units, and researching tech and have fun!'. So if that is the same I will do the tutorial up to that point then start a REAL game