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ajbera is offline ajbera
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One of the few things I've disliked about Civ is how sparsely populated the maps look, even in the modern age. Sure, there are cities every three squares, but there are no sprawling zones of towns and suburbs, industrial parks, etc.

Well, I realize that I won't get the map to look the way I want. However, some small buildings could be added to some of the railroad graphics, specifically where the RR's intersect. A smallish cluster of buildings would give the appearance of a town at a railroad track nexus, and would fill the world map with the appearance of widespread settlements. Of course, there would be no pop value for these. I just like a map with greater evidence of human habitation.

PS: Great work Sn00py! You are very talented, and I look forward to seeing your work in future scenarios and mods.

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irrigation is mighty hard to do, it's tough trying to draw something that has a lot of the same thing, but all really small, so I am looking for opinions on this image below

I want to see what appeals best to ppl, this is my first try on irrigation

Attachment: irrigation.jpg
This has been downloaded 135 time(s).

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All these graphics lead to the question

Where did civ3's graphic team go wrong? Oh I know. They didnt hire Snoop

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I know exactly how you feel ajbera, I've tried to get Firaxis to make the cities expand, but I guess they just couldn't or didn't want to do it. sigh..

I hope they make it open source one day, and someone can programme it to do that, I think that would be a really cool feature.

Lawrence, hehe, you are now the 5th person to say that, congrats! and thanks, I appreciate all good comments (and bad, I take them as constructive cristism hehe). motivates me to do better when I get good comments!

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Those grapics would rock if you made a scenario, what kind of people do you want on your team btw?

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Hmmm...since other people are making requests...I have a whole list of ideas I'm going to work on. Well, 4 actually (depending on how civ3 turns out to be).

Would you mind creating some modern military units? Like the F-16 and the Leopard 2? For modern day scenarios. I have two ideas on paper. One also deals with aliens, only they invade in 2001. The other deals with the War on Terrorism.

My other idea is an RPG modpack. With Orcs and Dwarfs and the like to play as. Some new terrain for that might be nice.


I don't want to take up too much of your precious time, so if you don't really want to do it then don't bother. But if you are interested I'd love a chance to work with you!

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Right, well all I need is a pic of all angles of each of those units

as for the aliens, you would need to either show me a pic of what you want them to look like or describe it (a pic would be easier). as for spaceships, I wouldn't need all angles on them I guess. just something I can work from


I don't mind helping at all, the more the better in my opinion

hopefully I create 100 more, 3d animated units!

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Got spare money?

Well, for start. Here's the Leopard II.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/leap2-1.gif
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/leap2-2.gif
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/...rd-2a4-pic1.jpg
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/...ard-2a4-kl5.jpg
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/...rd-2a5-kl19.jpg
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/...leopard-2a5.jpg
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/...-2-pz87-094.jpg
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/...-2-pz87-093.jpg
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/...-2-pz87-068.jpg
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/...eopard2-001.jpg
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/...eopard2-002.jpg
http://www.army-technology.com/proj...d/leopard1.html
http://www.army-technology.com/proj...d/leopard2.html
http://www.army-technology.com/proj...d/leopard3.html
http://www.army-technology.com/proj...d/leopard4.html
http://www.army-technology.com/proj...d/leopard5.html
http://www.army-technology.com/proj...d/leopard6.html
http://www.army-technology.com/proj...d/leopard7.html
http://www.army-technology.com/proj...d/leopard8.html
http://www.army-technology.com/proj...d/leopard9.html
http://www.army-technology.com/proj.../leopard10.html
http://www.army-technology.com/proj.../leopard11.html
http://www.army-technology.com/proj.../leopard12.html
http://www.army-technology.com/proj.../leopard13.html


Is this what you mean?


Note: I know these are various different models of the Leopard II (regular, A1, A2, A3, A4, A5, A6, E, NL, Strv 21, Strv 23, Pz87) but they are the same in design. The details don't matter much, just make something you like

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http://www.airforce-technology.com/...00/ef20001.html
http://www.airforce-technology.com/...00/ef20002.html
http://www.airforce-technology.com/...00/ef20003.html
http://www.airforce-technology.com/...00/ef20004.html
http://www.airforce-technology.com/...00/ef20005.html
http://www.airforce-technology.com/...00/ef20006.html
http://www.airforce-technology.com/...00/ef20007.html
http://www.airforce-technology.com/...00/ef20008.html
http://people.ac.upc.es/enric/efa.html (44 pics, if you count the logo of the site)

Eurofighter Typhoon pics.


In total 24 Leopard pics, and 52 Typhoon pics. I hope they are useful. If not, please let me know.

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http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/...ow/scheda65.jpg
http://www.army-technology.com/proj...te/ariete1.html
http://www.army-technology.com/proj...te/ariete2.html
http://www.army-technology.com/proj...te/ariete3.html
http://www.army-technology.com/proj...te/ariete4.html
http://www.army-technology.com/proj...te/ariete5.html
http://www.army-technology.com/proj...te/ariete6.html

7 Ariete (Italian MBT) pics.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/marder.jpg
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/...ow/marder-1.gif
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/...ow/marder-2.gif
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/.../marder-001.jpg

4 Marder (German armored infantry vehicle) pics.

http://www.army-technology.com/proj...allenger21.html
http://www.army-technology.com/proj...allenger22.html
http://www.army-technology.com/proj...allenger23.html
http://www.army-technology.com/proj...allenger24.html
http://www.army-technology.com/proj...allenger25.html
http://www.army-technology.com/proj...allenger26.html
http://www.army-technology.com/proj...allenger27.html
http://www.army-technology.com/proj...allenger28.html
http://www.army-technology.com/proj...allenger29.html
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/...2e-brochure.jpg
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/...lenger2-mbt.jpg
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/...r2-tcr2dsrt.jpg
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/...er2-cr2tran.jpg
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/...nger2e-side.jpg
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/...challenger2.jpg
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/chal2-1.jpg
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/chal2-7.jpg

17 Challenger II (English MBT) pics.


If these pics help, and if you are interested, I'll post more tomorrow

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sheesh, LOL I wasn't expecting that much, I will have to add this page to my favourites

yeah that's excellent lol

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Snoop

You gotta start charging!
I can be your agent
btw, Ill take 10%

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LOL, well I lose respect if I start doing this for money

I have a job as a graphic designer anyway

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Snoopy, you better watch out, sooner or later women are going to ask you to have their babies.

Well Snoopy, you are one of Poly's finest, and think, you are just an incompetent 'newbie'.

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I'm not much of a newbie, I've known the two sites since 1997, but I have gone through a few names and registrations, Icedan, ContradictioN, I think by now I should be Emperor and coming close to Diety if I add up all my posts, I never minded re-registering coz I didn't find my post count important.

what makes you think girls would want that?

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Snoopy, i figured out how you did those mountains with PhotoShop, the reason you confused me before is that i though you did them from scratch.

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are you SURE I didn't do them from scratch?

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I'm not much of a newbie, I've known the two sites since 1997, but I have gone through a few names and registrations, Icedan, ContradictioN, I think by now I should be Emperor and coming close to Diety if I add up all my posts, I never minded re-registering coz I didn't find my post count important.


So you are admitting to having DLs? I was just joking about the newbie remark anyways. Some people find that all newbies are useless and incompetent, which I'm sure you know by nowought you were a newbie because of your registration date. Also, I remember the name Contradiction.

quote:
what makes you think girls would want that?


This was also a joke, whether it was funny or not. With so many people asking you to do stuff I think that it is eventually going to lead to that.

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Sn00py

The irrigation looks very nice, and is a definite improvement over the existing setup. Looks like you borrowed it from CTP.

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really? I can't even remember ctp's, I had to go looking for what irrigation looks like, and they seem to be in rows (tho I know that's not how they used to look many centuries ago).

I'm hoping that the irrigation can be upgraded like in civ2, so I can make some real farmland

tech: I thought you were joking, but I somehow took it seriously

no DL's!! I had reasons!

if anyone wants to help me out, send me the graphic files so I can edit them (if it's possible)

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if anyone wants to help me out, send me the graphic files so I can edit them (if it's possible)


Do you mean when we get the game or people who have inside connections and already have the game? If it is the first one I'm assuming you want the files because you won't be receiving the game until mid November. Now if this is so I will send you the graphics files when I get the game. If it is the latter I can't help you there, sorry.

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well, either way, I don't know when I will be getting the game, at the moment I'd just like to get them asap, so I can see how it all works

thanks tech, that would be greatly appreciated, and I hope to give ppl what they want in terms of graphics and units, etc

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Thank you very much, oh kind and talented sir!

If you want anything in return, please let me know.

More pics:

F-2 (Japanese Fighter)

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/f2-059b.jpg
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/f2-060b.jpg
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/f2-062b.jpg
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/f2-070b.jpg
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/f2-072b.jpg
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/f2/f21.html
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/f2/f22.html
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/f2/f23.html
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/f2/f24.html
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/f2/f25.html
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/f2/f26.html

AMX-30 (French MBT)

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/amx30-1.gif
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/amx30-2.gif
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/...amx30_cat3g.jpg
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/...amx30_cat7g.jpg
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/...amx30_cat9g.jpg

Leclerc (French MBT)

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/...rc_maquette.jpg
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/...lerc_cat11g.jpg
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/...lerc_cat16g.jpg
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/...clerc_cat4g.jpg
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/...ow/leclerc1.jpg
http://www.army-technology.com/proj...c/leclerc1.html
http://www.army-technology.com/proj...c/leclerc2.html
http://www.army-technology.com/proj...c/leclerc4.html
http://www.army-technology.com/proj...c/leclerc5.html
http://www.army-technology.com/proj...c/leclerc6.html
http://www.army-technology.com/proj...c/leclerc7.html
http://www.army-technology.com/proj...c/leclerc8.html
http://www.army-technology.com/proj...c/leclerc9.html

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Dammit, where were those sites when I was trying to make CtP sprites

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irrigation is mighty hard to do, it's tough trying to draw something that has a lot of the same thing, but all really small, so I am looking for opinions on this image below

I want to see what appeals best to ppl, this is my first try on irrigation


Its definately a step in the right direction. But IMHO, its too dark, you cant see any of the roads that go through it. Also for me, its important to know what type of terrain is underneath the irrigation, so just a bit of that terrains color showing through would be helpful.

quote:
Looks like you borrowed it from CTP.


It actually reminds me of Colonization, except they were squiggly lines (IIRC).

Btw Snoopy: Keep up the good (free ) work, you do have some real talent But i guess you already know that hehe

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its important to know what type of terrain is underneath the irrigation


thanks, these are the sorts of things I need to know, coz I can't think of everything


MarkL, thanks, I will start on them as soon as I get the game

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Hey Sn00p,

This obviously have to wait until the game is out and we see to what extent graphics can be manipulated, but I'd like to plant a few thoughts in your brain:

Farms: instead of just lines of irrigation or CtP-style "cornrows", how about a patchwork series of fields (as farmland looks from above) with a tiny farmhouse/barn or two?

Mines: the mine/gaping maw into the bowels of the earth would be at center, surrounded by tiny shacks or buildings for processing materials.

Railroad: as I've mentioned before, where one or more sets of tracks intersect, put a cluster of tiny buildings. This simulates the populated areas that spring up due to the presence of the rails, and will help populate the map with representations of sub-communities. Also, these 'crowded' maps wouldn't appear 'til late industrial area/early modern era, which would be realistic.

Potential problems: leaving enough of the terrain visible beneath the TI to determine it's type...adding buildings tiny enough to not confuse what the TI/terrain is, but are still identifiable as human habitation.

As I've stated in an earlier post, I just get annoyed with how sparsely populated late-game maps look when compared to an real map, where large swaths of land are obviously urbanized/suburbanized, so my proposed graphical revisions are purely cosmetic. However, this is really important to me, enough so that I may take a stab at graphical alteration myself if I can get the appropriate programs for free. However, I'd be willing to commission the work...I know this is a labor of love for Sn00py, but I'm willing to pay cold hard cash to get the deed done (as befits my American nationality )

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Now back yo the topic:
It's pity that civ3 hasn't got a scriptinig language and AI doesn't have
a deep modifiabilty.
Since I made very nice AI & scripting results in modinfing CTP2 AI last few months it is a pity that there is not something similar in Civ3.
Anyway anybody remembers Alexander the Great or Magnifisent Samurai
scenarios for CTP2?
Doing something like that is IMPOSSIBILE in Civ3!

P.S. The CIV3 will be a GREAT game, but I won't do any MODing work until
scripting language and AI-mods are made ("maybe" in XP).

 
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