27-10-2001 21:42									#1
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If you head on over to the Bump thread, you'll see that someone has already gotten their paws on Civ3. So he posted the civilopedia entry of Paratroopers, which require rubber. So why do they need rubber? Rubber boots?

	27-10-2001 21:43									#2
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After paratroopiong behind enemy lines, they seek out foreign concubines. Hence, the need for rubbers.

	27-10-2001 21:45									#3
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To cushion their landing, of course.

	27-10-2001 22:05									#5
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I don't know exactly why they need it, but it was known before that page was posted as we already had the Civilopedia page for rubber.
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	27-10-2001 22:33									#6
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Silk would have made so much more sense, but that's a luxury, not a strategic resource. But yeah, trust Firaxis to be balancing it right, I'm pretty sure that Meier fellow knows what he's doing

	27-10-2001 22:36									#7
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nylon cord or synthic rubber was used for US paratroopers in WW2

	27-10-2001 22:42									#8
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oh, and you have to get the paratroopers in an airplane somehow so you can paradrop them.. im sure the plane needs more rubber than the paratroopers.

	27-10-2001 22:56									#9
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And more oil

	28-10-2001 00:28									#10
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but i would've thought silk would've been more important... even if it's a luxury resource....

	28-10-2001 00:33									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia And more oil

Actually you should use a water based lubricant with your rubber
or the integrity will be compromised.

	28-10-2001 01:20									#12
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Hmmm...

I wonder if it's possible to link a unit with a luxury resource... because if you could, it would be nice to link paratroopers with silk and war elephants with ivory... which would be a bit more realistic.

If not, I suppose silk and elephants can be added as strategic resources through the editor. I imagine a lot of people will be changing a lot of things with the editors, trying to make the settings, advances, etc., just right.

	28-10-2001 01:31									#13
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Elephants aren't made out of Ivory though, it's the other way round

Also what if the Indians, the only civ with the elephant, don't start somewhere with access to ivory ( more than likely ). Do they just never get their UUs?

	28-10-2001 01:41									#14
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The impression I got from the official CIVIII page was that Elephants do not need any resources to be built, unlike it's equivalent, horsemen (I think), which needs horses. So I don't believe you will need ivory for your UU. Therefore, I guess the indians will always have access for their UU.

	28-10-2001 01:50									#15
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Unfortunately true, as unrealistic as it sounds, elephants are not required to build the "war elephant."

Makes you wonder what the Indians are smoking when suddenly their war elephants show up, despite never finding an elephant in their own territory (assuming random map).

	28-10-2001 02:03									#16
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Errr...I know you don't need an elephant resource to build war elephants or silk for paratroopers...however, since I think it would be better this way, this is something I intend to change with the editors. I was not wondering whether there was an 'elephant' resource - I know there isn't. Sorry I wasn't more clear in my post.

And I still think many other people will do lots and lots of modding and tweaking to fine tune Civ3 for their personal tastes, just as I intend to do.

As for the Indians...I don't know. Maybe create a common elephant unit, and tweak the Indian UU a bit. As for spawning in an elephant-free region, tough luck. Many UUs need resources to build. Besides, I've been considering making the Ghurka the Indian UU...tough, fearless and inexpensive...gotta do some research.

	28-10-2001 05:05									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Faboba Elephants aren't made out of Ivory though, it's the other way round

True, but where there is one there is often the other.

	28-10-2001 07:15									#18
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The wonderful thing about tiggers, is that tiggers are wonderful things. There tops are made out of rubber, and their bottoms are made out of springs.

	28-10-2001 08:08									#19
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quote: Originally posted by squid The wonderful thing about tiggers, is that tiggers are wonderful things. There tops are made out of rubber, and their bottoms are made out of springs.

I think you'll find that

a) their heads are made out of rubber and their tails are made out of springs

and

b) A. A Milne + E. H. Shepard are far superior to Disney

	28-10-2001 08:09									#20
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quote: Originally posted by squid The wonderful thing about tiggers, is that tiggers are wonderful things. There tops are made out of rubber, and their bottoms are made out of springs.

My vote goes with the fact that the paratroopers need planes to get drop from, and the planes need rubber and oil. What i dont understand is that suddenly, these paratroopers guns dont require saltpeter... Exactly how do they propel their bullets??

	28-10-2001 08:13									#21
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Maybe they use rubber bullets...

	28-10-2001 08:24									#22
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quote: Originally posted by ixnay37 Maybe they use rubber bullets...

Soldier: FREEZE!!! Or we will bruise you to death!!
Civilian: **** you!!
Soldier: Thats it, take this! *opens fire*
Civilian: Ouch, ow, ow ow ow, hey, stop that...

	28-10-2001 09:13									#23
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quote: Originally posted by HalfLotus After paratroopiong behind enemy lines, they seek out foreign concubines. Hence, the need for rubbers.

Damn!!!! I wanted to post this!!

	28-10-2001 12:41									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns My vote goes with the fact that the paratroopers need planes to get drop from, and the planes need rubber and oil. What i dont understand is that suddenly, these paratroopers guns dont require saltpeter... Exactly how do they propel their bullets??

paratrooper guns probably use whatever modern bullet propellants are made out of. Maybe some keen gun nut can enlighten us

	28-10-2001 17:43									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Rakki paratrooper guns probably use whatever modern bullet propellants are made out of. Maybe some keen gun nut can enlighten us

Actually, this would interest me too, since I doubt guns use the same gunpowder nowadays as hundreds of years ago.