28-10-2001 23:19									#1
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"bombers based on carriers to provide support for marines ..."

FINALLY!! After only ten years the AI can use carriers!!

	29-10-2001 00:45									#2
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Please forgive my cynicism, but after Civ1, Civ2, SMAC, CTP, and CTP2 - I'll have to see this before I believe it.

	29-10-2001 01:02									#3
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trust in soren.

	29-10-2001 01:06									#4
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quote: Originally posted by UberKruX trust in soren.

Why? I'll trust after I see his work.

And UberKrux, you forgot -
"In MP, human players use carriers" or some such. Have you resolved your issues now?

	29-10-2001 01:09									#5
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nah, im just filling out college applications and i'm a little busy. thanks for reminding me.

i never met a human that couldn't use a damn carrier.

	29-10-2001 01:12									#6
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quote: Originally posted by UberKruX nah, im just filling out college applications and i'm a little busy. thanks for reminding me. i never met a human that couldn't use a damn carrier.

You're filling out college apps? You mean you're in high school, and you're already this jaded? Scary.

	29-10-2001 01:17									#7
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I feel for you Uber.. I've been busting my ass over college apps/essays for the last week so they don't cut into my preciouse CivIII time.

	29-10-2001 01:23									#8
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Ha...college essays...Ha!

I lucked out, my college didn't require any essay, though I think that changed recently. The benefits of going to engineering schools, communication beyond scientific equations is unneccesary until at least junior year.

	29-10-2001 01:27									#9
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quote: Originally posted by SerapisIV Ha...college essays...Ha! I lucked out, my college didn't require any essay, though I think that changed recently. The benefits of going to engineering schools, communication beyond scientific equations is unneccesary until at least junior year.

Unfortunately for me the UC system feels essays are VERY important. I don't believe Cal States require them though.

	29-10-2001 01:36									#10
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quote: Originally posted by SteveJH Unfortunately for me the UC system feels essays are VERY important. I don't believe Cal States require them though.

Every school I looked at wanted essays, except for the Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. Luckily that was my first choice school. I appllied early (not early admission) and got accepted Friday, Oct. 13. Lucked out, my mom was really getting on my case about essays I had to write that weekend. Didn't have to after that letter. So I ended up only applying to one school, didn't have to write any essays

	29-10-2001 01:53									#11
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quote: Originally posted by SerapisIV Every school I looked at wanted essays, except for the Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. Luckily that was my first choice school. I appllied early (not early admission) and got accepted Friday, Oct. 13. Lucked out, my mom was really getting on my case about essays I had to write that weekend. Didn't have to after that letter. So I ended up only applying to one school, didn't have to write any essays

You have no idea how much I envy you. I'm applying to nine schools in California and Nevada (Las Vegas ) and only have 4 applications done so far... I should be done in about a week though, then it's Civ mania for me.

	29-10-2001 02:12									#12
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quote: [SIZE=1] The benefits of going to engineering schools, communication beyond scientific equations is unneccesary until at least junior year.

Amen that the trick. I know, am an engineering student, and i enter without doing anything, exept the prerequise of my program

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Yeah, but engineers don't have to work hard at applications like the liberal arts students do...but the liberal arts students don't have to work hard at school like the engineers do. Somewhere along the line I think we go the short end of that deal

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quote: Originally posted by UberKruX i never met a human that couldn't use a damn carrier.

Hi, I'm Duncan. I suck.

	29-10-2001 04:57									#15
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quote: Originally posted by SerapisIV ...but the liberal arts students don't have to work hard at school like the engineers do. Somewhere along the line I think we go the short end of that deal

You're not kidding. One of my old roommates was a EE. Just watching him do those 4 hr. math problems made my brain hurt.
I feel for you guys.

	29-10-2001 05:48									#16
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Here's a problem for you engineering types. Building a civ game where the AI can use aircraft carriers.

Oh, and the liberal arts are not all fun and games (just as engineering is not all tedium - just mostly tedium).

	29-10-2001 06:01									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Dodgedemon You're not kidding. One of my old roommates was a EE. Just watching him do those 4 hr. math problems made my brain hurt. I feel for you guys.

4 hour math problems?? Is that all?? I say, the more the merrier!! Problems that take weeks at a time, thats what engineering is all about!!

Then again, im a software engineer. Some of these projects (in the real world, not uni) can take up to 10 years to complete.

	29-10-2001 07:11									#18
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go to a good liberal arts school on performance dependent academic scholarships and you will find out what work is like...

me? 14 papers this term, thats 150+ pages of well researched and skilfully argued bullshit... and I'm only in my third year. Next year, it gets way more intense, or so I hear.

I like it though

	29-10-2001 07:24									#19
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quote: Originally posted by aeturneus go to a good liberal arts school on performance dependent academic scholarships and you will find out what work is like... me? 14 papers this term, thats 150+ pages of well researched and skilfully argued bullshit... and I'm only in my third year. Next year, it gets way more intense, or so I hear. I like it though

Well, you just proved my point, bullshit, not real work, made up work.

	29-10-2001 07:40									#20
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Have you ever actually tried to come up with plausible bullshit? It isn't as easy as it sounds. Throw in the fact that grading in the humanities is completely subjective and you have some difficult stuff. I'm currently a bullshit factory, writing resumes for summer internships while working on a 40-page historiographical paper about US-Japanese relations prior to Pearl Harbor. I only have to read about 10 books before I can write it....

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quote: Yeah, but engineers don't have to work hard at applications like the liberal arts students do...but the liberal arts students don't have to work hard at school like the engineers do. Somewhere along the line I think we go the short end of that deal

hehe if you think the application is hard, wait till you get to the real thing.

Sometimes I envy the simple straightforward nature of the work you engineers do, but then I realize that if I wanted to be simple, I could just bang my head against the wall for a few hours

Seriously, there are 14 year old kids that go to university to study calculus, because ultimately all that stuff is just mathematical logic. You won't find those prodigies in english, political theory, etc... it is just considerably deeper stuff.

	29-10-2001 08:21									#22
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Gee Serapis, an Ann Arbor folk in Champaign/Urbana.... I forsee you prancing around the tailgates in a big yellow Michigan shirt no matter who Illinois is playing.

Well on Tues or Wed I can tell you how quckly I could get CIV3 down here.

No place I applied wanted essays.. but then that was 1988 (and again in 1992 for grad school). Times they have changed

I can't wait to nuke someone.. hmm, what an interesting statement.

	29-10-2001 08:24									#23
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me too stretch. Just knowing that ive ended the lives of several million people makes me hard.

	29-10-2001 09:11									#24
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"Sometimes I envy the simple straightforward nature of the work you engineers do, but then I realize that if I wanted to be simple, I could just bang my head against the wall for a few hours"


You could but u would have a big headache for this. It is true that is requiert next to nothing to enter in engineering(in Quebec though) but it is 4 year of pain. 70 hre a week of work + the class it is kinda of painfull. I know that other program requiert the same work, but at least u read and dont have to knock your head off after that.

"You're not kidding. One of my old roommates was a EE. Just watching him do those 4 hr. math problems made my brain hurt.
I feel for you guys. "

4 hour, it is a little problem