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The Templar
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People's Republic of the East Village
Oct 2001
time: 00:15
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Looks like Ming just banned UberKrux again for circumventing the filter. You know if someone from Firaxis circumvented the filter they would not get banned. So it looks like the rules are either (i) selectively enforced, or (ii) a different agreement is made with "important people" than us peons with respect to forum behavior. If (i) the moderators/owners are hypocrites. If (ii), then the moderators/owners are not treating people equally. I would think that if Apolyton is a community (as opposed to a purely commercial venture), then the peons are as important as the visiting developers. Face it, no peons, no developers - no developers more people at civfanatics less interest in Apolyton. It's a positive feedback loop.
Sure, Markos et al. get to set the rules because its his site - so there is no first amendment issue. But free speech is also a moral issue, and while Ming , Markos, etc. have the right to exclude certain kinds of speech, I think they are morally wrong in exercising this right. (yes, one can have the right to do wrong.)
I see this as a respect issue. The average participant here is shown little respect lately. Thus, in protest of the itchy trigger fingers on bans around here, I will be boycotting Apolyton for two days. I recommend that everyone who feels the same joins me in the boycott (sort of a ban on Apolyton for their discourteous behavior).
Alright, I'm ready for the "rollyeyes" from the people who disagree, and ready for some week long ban based on whatever pretext Ming or whoever can think up for writing this.
Later (maybe).
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Faboba
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Scotland. I can't be more specific else they'll find me.
Jan 1970
time: 05:15
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BTW to quote from the faq.....
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We were a bit reluctant to say it in this past, but this a privately owned forum, not a public square. It is our right to accept or not accept certain kind of discussion or certain kind of users. We will be seting the rules and enforce them as we see fit. We believe in freedom of speech, but again, this is not a public square(there are laws that apply to public squares too, but that's another issue ). We hope that you understand our position. |
In other words Markos and Dan wrote down the rules for this site, where they allow us to be, essentially, their guests. But if people like Uber don't like the house rules........
( To be honest I think he should get a harsher scentence. We all got worse for posting on forum 25 and that was only as a cheap laugh, this was pretty much malicious. If I was Markos and someone spoke to me like that, I'd be laughing all the way to the perma-ban controls....... )
Last edited by Faboba on 29-10-2001 at 04:23
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The Templar
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People's Republic of the East Village
Oct 2001
time: 00:15
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Never mind my boycott, I need to argue this one out.
To Wittlich,
I agree, Firaxians are polite - I was contemplating a hypothetical situation.
To Faboba,
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In other words Markos and Dan wrote down the rules for this site, where they allow us to be, essentially, their guests. But if people like Uber don't like the house rules........ |
Yes and their site would be a ghost town without our participation. It's a co-dependent relationship, I'll I'm suggesting is that they be reminded of this.
To Ming:
Now that I think about it, UberKruX is probably the worst case to defend. UberKruX showed you no respect. But you struck me as little too happy to ban the guy. And it makes me feel as though your more than willing to throw your weight around as a moderator. To my mind, moderators such as yourself are not showing respect to the participants here - and without us peons, I would remind you, there wouldn't be a forum. I think it is time you were given a few weeks vacation to cool out for awhile and remember that you are not a despot. Apolyton may not be a democracy - but it is a market and when people like you go to far the rest of us vote with their feet.
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Grunthex
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Calgary
Oct 2001
time: 22:15
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Originally posted by The Templar
I would remind you, there wouldn't be a forum. I think it is time you were given a few weeks vacation to cool out for awhile and remember that you are not a despot. Apolyton may not be a democracy - but it is a market and when people like you go to far the rest of us vote with their feet. |
So vote with your feet and leave. I for one am glad to have rules restricting that kind of immaturity.
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29-10-2001 03:52
some idiot got himself banned.
to the board mods.
Uber went beyond the call of duty to be rude and disrespectful to the people of Apolyton (me and YOU included) and was punished for it. Rather lightly too, i might add.
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