29-10-2001 21:08									#1
	Will wait till Civ3 hits the bargain bin ----> Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

yup..I refuse to pay 59.99 for a limited edition. Besides I dont think my question has been answered properly. 800 x 600 wont work...so many people here are going to buy the game and never play it. I for one i will wait until I get a new moniter. Just bought a new CPU. But owell .

Anyway I can always play it next door

	29-10-2001 21:23									#2
	Re: Will wait till Civ3 hits the bargain bin ----> Enter the AD-FREE zone

quote: Originally posted by faded glory yup..I refuse to pay 59.99 for a limited edition. Besides I dont think my question has been answered properly. 800 x 600 wont work...so many people here are going to buy the game and never play it. I for one i will wait until I get a new moniter. Just bought a new CPU. But owell . Anyway I can always play it next door

what do you 'many' people will not be able to play it? 1200x780is the standard nowadays. My monitor is capable of displaying image with much higher qulity than that. I like 800x600, because things looks bigger and easier for my eyes, but as I say, if you cannot handle 1200x780, probably should consider upgrading ur monitor.

	29-10-2001 21:28									#3
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I don't know about you, but the selling price in Canada is unbelievable. Electronic Boutique is selling it for $49.99 CDN or $32.00 U.S., plus EBworld is offering a 10 US mail-in rebate, bringing the price down to an unbelievable $22.00 U.S.! It's already a bargan!

	29-10-2001 21:33									#4
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Can't hold on much longer. Must have it now!

	29-10-2001 21:46									#5
	Full PM-box? Change here!

Waiting for Civ3 to hit the bargain bin is like waiting to see a hot new movie until it comes out on network TV. If you want the game, go buy it.

	29-10-2001 21:51									#6
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I never buy things at full retail price

Patience is rewarded and I intend to wait till it atleast gets down to a reasonable price.

	29-10-2001 22:08									#7
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This reminds me of my friend that usually buys
bargain priced games, and not new ones.

Last week I discussed with him the price
of Civ III, and he said that he wouldn't probably
buy the game until he can buy it at a cheap price.
Or then he would buy an illegal copy of it.

Looks like there's people that behave
like the stereotype of a scotchman.

	29-10-2001 22:16									#8
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quote: I never buy things at full retail price

I like your style.

	29-10-2001 22:21									#9
	Re: Will wait till Civ3 hits the bargain bin ----> Inflate your Upload Space

quote: Originally posted by faded glory yup..I refuse to pay 59.99 for a limited edition. Besides I dont think my question has been answered properly. 800 x 600 wont work...so many people here are going to buy the game and never play it. I for one i will wait until I get a new moniter. Just bought a new CPU. But owell . Anyway I can always play it next door

I respect your buying decision, you can buy the regular edition for cheaper.

And whats wrong with the 1200 resolution? Even if you have a smaller monitor you should still be able to read the text.

I just don't get your point. All newly released games are like this

	29-10-2001 22:54									#10
	Re: Will wait till Civ3 hits the bargain bin ----> Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

So may I if my LE preorder gets cancelled.

	29-10-2001 23:00									#11
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

No, the standard now is 1024x768. Saddam, I'll try to some hacking and tell you how successfull am I to make it work for 800x600.

	29-10-2001 23:05									#12
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Civ3 may still be selling well enough to keep the price up even up until Civ4 comes out. That's going to be a long wait.

You can by a refurbished 17 inch Monitor for $125. It may not be the best thing on the market, but good enough to get you going.

	29-10-2001 23:08									#13
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quote: Civ3 may still be selling well enough to keep the price up even up until Civ4 comes out. That's going to be a long wait.

What, like civ2?
You can get a copy for 10 bucks these days.
Civ4 may not even be made, and if it is, it will certainly be quite a few years down the line.

Get a clue, most games, even the best ones have been seriously reduced in price within the first year of their release. People are paying for hype right now. Nothing more.

	29-10-2001 23:28									#14
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quote: Originally posted by drake What, like civ2? You can get a copy for 10 bucks these days. Civ4 may not even be made, and if it is, it will certainly be quite a few years down the line. Get a clue, most games, even the best ones have been seriously reduced in price within the first year of their release. People are paying for hype right now. Nothing more.

It took Everquest 3 years to reach the bargain bin. My point is, it's going to be a long wait. Most likely they will release some kind of "golden" version and the original game will hit the bins.

	29-10-2001 23:32									#15
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

Just saw a 17" monitor, .25 dot pitch, flat screen tube for $149 a COSTCO this weekend. The bargans are out there.

	29-10-2001 23:33									#16
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LOL, get the game now. Who cares its its $50 now and $20 later. Is $30 really that important? what are you gonna spend $30 on? some beer and pizza? three trips to the movies? who cares.

Second, if your monitors max resolution is 800 by 600.... um... I don't know what to say... I honestly didnt know they had color monitors that were only went as high as 800 by 600, thought 760 by 820 or whatever was lowest made in a long long time.

	29-10-2001 23:52									#17
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

i guess if your to broke to get a better monitor/video card then 50$ for a new game is also out of the question.

just pirate it of your that bad off. i just prepaid for my LE tin and i cant wait.

	29-10-2001 23:55									#18
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quote: Originally posted by drake Get a clue, most games, even the best ones have been seriously reduced in price within the first year of their release. People are paying for hype right now. Nothing more.

After the first year, unless its a wild hit, will be hard to find at any price. No one will be willing to order/manufactor it.

People aren't paying of "hype". "Hype" implies thats there is nothing but advertisement flash. The Civ3 marketting isn't that impressive. There hasn't been on serious review yet, and just a small number of previews.

	29-10-2001 23:57									#19
	Got spare money?

i still see civ 2 TOT for sale at a lot of stores.

	30-10-2001 00:15									#20
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

Must.....Have.....Civ.......3......now....!!!!

	30-10-2001 00:39									#21
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quote: People aren't paying of "hype". "Hype" implies thats there is nothing but advertisement flash. The Civ3 marketting isn't that impressive. There hasn't been on serious review yet, and just a small number of previews.

People always pay top dollar for brand new toys. Its that way for games, hardware, software, toys, clothes, hell anything.

Maybe hype isnt the right word.

Some people have to get everything when its brand new because of their personality. Some people don't mind paying top dollar for things. But I'm sure not in that category. Blowing money isnt my style.

I'll let some of the novelty of being first wear off and get the game cheap. Perhaps even used.

The game is going to be just as good next year as it is tommorow. Theres no reason it wouldnt.

	30-10-2001 00:51									#22
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That is very true, drake. I, for one, always try hard to be part of the "out" crowd because impatiently wanting the latest and greatest (of any product) implies insecurity and immaturity, imo. There has never been a consumer product that I had to have. About 90% of the games that I have bought were at least 6-12 months after release and in the cases where I bought upon release (like Civ3), it just came down to the right timing among other games in my rotation list and things I got going on in my life (mainly house/yard projects).

	30-10-2001 01:10									#23
	Re: Will wait till Civ3 hits the bargain bin ----> Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

quote: Originally posted by faded glory 800 x 600 wont work...so many people here are going to buy the game and never play it. I for one i will wait until I get a new moniter. Just bought a new CPU. But owell .

Personally, I know of four places in town where you can get a good used 1024x768 15" monitor for $40, and I live in Ohio of all places. You can get a used 17" Trinitron capable of 1600x1200 for $85. There are several places online you can get a new monitor capable of 1280x1024 (either a good 15" or a cheap 17") for a about $125.

It's just hard to imagine a system capable of playing Civ3 where the only limitation was the monitor. 800x600 monitors were the standard in the days of the 80386, and 1024x768 monitors have been common for ten years.

I guess my priorities are different than most people, but every computer I've ever built has had a monitor that cost as much as the whole rest of the system. Not many things actually tax your CPU, but you stare at the monitor whenever you're using the computer. If your monitor can't display 1024x768, I doubt even 800x600 is flicker-free. That's bad for your eyes.

I just know if I had $500 total to spend on a system, I wouldn't spend $400 putting together a 1 GHz+ machine and get a $100 monitor. I would spend $200 on a Celeron 533 system and $300 on a flat 19" monitor that does 1600x1200 at 75Hz+.

So just look around, and I guarantee you'll find a decent used 15" monitor that does 1024x768 with a good refresh rate for no more than $50. If you're totally out of cash, you could get an old ATI card with a TV-Out for about $10, which will let you set 1024x768 pan-scan on a TV in 800x600 resolution, but that would probably drive you nuts after awhile.

If you're making do with such an old system, I'll just assume you're in high school. You could just ask all your relatives to go together and get you a monitor for Christmas... or you could spend the $40 you were going to spend on the game on a crappy used 1024x768 monitor and find someone who has CloneCD and a burner to make you a Civ3 copy... not that I would condone such actions.

And as for Solver hacking it to work in 800x600, that would be pretty difficult. Civ3 looks to be hard-coded into 1024x768 in the same way that SMAC was hard-coded into 800x600. You wouldn't just be changing a few values in the code. You'd have to scale all the graphics and rewrite a significant part of the interface.

	30-10-2001 01:14									#24
	Full PM-box? Change here!

quote: Originally posted by Steve Clark That is very true, drake. I, for one, always try hard to be part of the "out" crowd because impatiently wanting the latest and greatest (of any product) implies insecurity and immaturity, imo. There has never been a consumer product that I had to have. About 90% of the games that I have bought were at least 6-12 months after release and in the cases where I bought upon release (like Civ3), it just came down to the right timing among other games in my rotation list and things I got going on in my life (mainly house/yard projects).

I say to each his own.

Unfortunately, the producers/sellers of Civ3 have decided otherwise regarding this issue and chosen to make Europeans wait... if accepting their orders at all. Good job!

	30-10-2001 01:57									#25
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quote: If you're making do with such an old system, I'll just assume you're in high school. You could just ask all your relatives to go together and get you a monitor for Christmas... or you could spend the $40 you were going to spend on the game on a crappy used 1024x768 monitor and find someone who has CloneCD and a burner to make you a Civ3 copy... not that I would condone such actions.

Though I dont have the problem of not having a good monitor, this is a VERY poor assumption. Most major sites still log 8x6 users as their highest percentage of users, with 10X7 usually in second. Civ has a younger audience no doubt, but there is a significant amount of older people (with old equipment) that play civ. And they are no more apt to buy a new monitor just for civ than is a high school kid without a job

	30-10-2001 03:00									#26
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their loss then..

while the default resolution may be 8x6 on most sites, i bet most of the hardware out there now supports better resolutions.

now i'm a firm believer in 'it it aint broke, dont fix it' but i do not think it is unreasonable to expect the average user to support 1024x758 these days. i'm sure the marketing ppl at civ3 did their research on the proof of concept and decieded that 10x7 was a reasonable requirement.

	30-10-2001 03:14									#27
	Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

Civ III is actually kind of cheap. Here in Toronto, it is supposed to be CAN$49.99 for the regular edition. I can't ever remember buying a game for that much. Most games that I bought before were at least $60 when it comes out. Unless you are really short on cash, Civ III is actually one of thoese games that is worth getting right away (assuming online play doesn't stop you).

KoalaBear33

	30-10-2001 03:18									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Jahi i still see civ 2 TOT for sale at a lot of stores.

Thats because nobody bought it cause it sucked and they still havent sold the original copies theyve had in stock forever.

	30-10-2001 03:59									#29
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i keep buying ToT because i keep losing the disk.. i like it better then civ 2

	30-10-2001 04:53									#30
	Re: Will wait till Civ3 hits the bargain bin ----> Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote: Originally posted by faded glory yup..I refuse to pay 59.99 for a limited edition. Besides I dont think my question has been answered properly. 800 x 600 wont work...so many people here are going to buy the game and never play it.

yeah, many, according to the poll tthat was taken, about 4 out of 60 or so