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The AI sounds great. What diffuculty are you playing at and how hard is it? Sreenshoots whould be nice.
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albiedamned
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Ellicott City, MD
Sep 2001
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First, regarding rivers, my poor Greeks have none in sight. I can't irrigate anything! So whoever posted that rivers are everywhere, that may be the case in his game but not mine.
As for the interface, it's not bad, just different. I've been playing for about 90 minutes now, and I'm starting to get the hang of it.
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Pembleton
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Cyberspace
Apr 1999
time: 23:15
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Originally posted by faded glory
btw..to put the controversy to rest. The interface is extremely annoying. |
Details please. Do you use hotkeys?
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Green Giant
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Faded Glory, any specific reason the interface is annoying?
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albiedamned
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Ellicott City, MD
Sep 2001
time: 00:15
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The interface will seem annoying at first simply because it is not the same as Civ2. But I have gotten used to it now (I've been playing about 3.5 hours now), and I have no problem with it. People are always annoyed by changes, but that doesn't mean they're bad.
I'm playing on Regent level (formerly known as Prince level). I have not read the manual yet, even though I really need to. I have started 3 games now and played to around 1000 BC. Each time, I am only able to found about 4 cities before I run out of room. Meanwhile, my neighbors have 6 or 7 cities! I have no idea what I am doing wrong. The AI does seem rather expansionist at the beginning, for sure. I have seen this in my three games with the Japanese, English, and French, so it is not just one civ. I am about to start over again, and this time I am determined to try to expand faster. The 2 pop point settler thing really does slow you down though.
Also, in my last game, I lost pop points twice to disease. I had workers on flood plain squares. So that is definitely a factor.
Techs are coming very slow at the beginning. Maybe this is related to my inability to expand rapidly, or perhaps due to my general incompetence.
The inability to irrigate unless you have a river or inland sea is a huge hindrance. I find myself mining everything because that's all I can do (besides roads of course).
I have won battles with my Hoplite several times (I am the Greeks), but always against barbarians. Apparently that doesn't count for triggering a Golden Age, because I haven't had one yet. So I guess you have to fight another civ with your UU to get a Golden Age.
To resolve one controversy that we've been discussing on the boards: When you first found a city, you cannot use the full 21 square workable radius. You can only use the 8 squares immediately around you until your cultural borders expand the first time. Then you can use the regular 21 square radius. Also, the second cultural border expansion does not affect workable city radius - it remains at 21. I don't expect it ever goes over 21, but I haven't gotten beyond the 2nd cultural border expansion yet.
Ok, I'm starting over one more time, this time focusing more on expansion. I'm also going down a level - apparently I need the AI to cheat in my favor to be able to compete!
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albiedamned
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Ellicott City, MD
Sep 2001
time: 00:15
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I like to think of myself as a Civ2 veteran, and I've also played tons of SMAC. I've always been a builder, and I've never been into ICS, so take my comments with that in mind. But I always play SMAC on Transcend, and Civ2 on Emperor (though not usually Deity).
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BigBear
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Milwaukee, Wisconsin
Sep 2001
time: 05:15
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Damn my stupid ways and my ordering from Amazon.com. I want this game so BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I dreamed that this day would come as soon as completed my first game of Civ2. And now its finally hear, and all I can do is read what other people think about it!!
On another note, I would not listen to the majority of people on these forums about the game. So many people here are pessimists. They are gonna find everything they can that is wrong with the game before they say one thing about the good stuff.
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MustPost
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One question I have is why do civ2/3 use the standard looking windows interface. While Sid Meiers other games seem to use costum made interfaces.(gettysburg and SMAC). Although this is a little skewed because civ2/SMAC were both mainly Brian Reynald's creations
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Grunthex
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Calgary
Oct 2001
time: 22:15
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quote:
Originally posted by MustPost
One question I have is why do civ2/3 use the standard looking windows interface. While Sid Meiers other games seem to use costum made interfaces.(gettysburg and SMAC). Although this is a little skewed because civ2/SMAC were both mainly Brian Reynald's creations |
Am I missing something? How do they look Standard Windowsy? SMAC especially, the only thing that vaguely resembled Windows was the save game screen, and really, how many ways can you manipulate files?
From the screenshots of Civ3, NOTHING looks anything resembling 'standard' to me.
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TCO
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Richmond, VA
Jan 1970
time: 00:15
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Originally posted by albiedamned
The interface will seem annoying at first simply because it is not the same as Civ2. But I have gotten used to it now (I've been playing about 3.5 hours now), and I have no problem with it. People are always annoyed by changes, but that doesn't mean they're bad.
I'm playing on Regent level (formerly known as Prince level). I have not read the manual yet, even though I really need to. I have started 3 games now and played to around 1000 BC. Each time, I am only able to found about 4 cities before I run out of room. Meanwhile, my neighbors have 6 or 7 cities! I have no idea what I am doing wrong. The AI does seem rather expansionist at the beginning, for sure. I have seen this in my three games with the Japanese, English, and French, so it is not just one civ. I am about to start over again, and this time I am determined to try to expand faster. The 2 pop point settler thing really does slow you down though.
Also, in my last game, I lost pop points twice to disease. I had workers on flood plain squares. So that is definitely a factor.
Techs are coming very slow at the beginning. Maybe this is related to my inability to expand rapidly, or perhaps due to my general incompetence.
The inability to irrigate unless you have a river or inland sea is a huge hindrance. I find myself mining everything because that's all I can do (besides roads of course).
I have won battles with my Hoplite several times (I am the Greeks), but always against barbarians. Apparently that doesn't count for triggering a Golden Age, because I haven't had one yet. So I guess you have to fight another civ with your UU to get a Golden Age.
To resolve one controversy that we've been discussing on the boards: When you first found a city, you cannot use the full 21 square workable radius. You can only use the 8 squares immediately around you until your cultural borders expand the first time. Then you can use the regular 21 square radius. Also, the second cultural border expansion does not affect workable city radius - it remains at 21. I don't expect it ever goes over 21, but I haven't gotten beyond the 2nd cultural border expansion yet.
Ok, I'm starting over one more time, this time focusing more on expansion. I'm also going down a level - apparently I need the AI to cheat in my favor to be able to compete! |
You don't sound like much of a veteran. Most vet civ players don't irrigate or especially don't mine in the early game. They expand. You sound like a wimpy builder. We should rip you apart in multi-player...err....I guess you're safe...until Ultimate Civ3/Civ3 MGE comes out. 
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30-10-2001 06:11
icq seems to take up tonnes of memory and mucks up.
As soon as I heard other people were getting their's early, I called Stop & Save at Arundel Mills Mall where I'd pre-ordered the game. They won't be getting it until Wednesday either. I *knew* I should've ordered from EB!!! 
(Ok I'm calm now 
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