30-10-2001 06:19									#1
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It seems we could use some Civ IV suggestion forums; especially since new ideas are still coming in (See the Rubber thread)
So... when will we see a Civ IV suggestions forums?

	30-10-2001 07:06									#2
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Sheeez the game just came out a few hours ago. Give it a rest! Can't people just enjoy the game now rather than worrying what the next version will be like...

	30-10-2001 07:10									#3
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I agree.

It's just a BIT early to be talking about civ4. Let's at least get civ3 patched and MPed first.

	30-10-2001 07:13									#4
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You're right Simpleton, Darkcloud is being Unreasonable.

"Reasonable men try to adjust themselves to the world whereas unreasonable men try to adjust the world to them - therefore all hope of progress rests with unreasonable men"

	30-10-2001 07:15									#5
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I've got three ideas I thought of when reading about Civ 3 from those who actually have it (lucky bastards.)

1) Improve the AI. From what I've heard, its pretty decent - but there's always room for improvement.

2) I know this will be difficult, but make the effects of the wonders fully editable. I.E, I can make a wonder called "Royal Road" that doubles the trade to all cities on the continent, even though there is no "official" wonder with this ability.

3) More realism. I know Civ 3 is pretty realistic, especially when considering the time scale, but it can be improved. For example, they could create a system of warfare where wars don't take 50 years to complete, even in the modern age.

	30-10-2001 07:17									#6
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Bit premature guys!

	30-10-2001 08:46									#7
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I can't see the point of such threads until one has a feel for the game balance.

	30-10-2001 08:56									#8
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LMAO

Hasn't even been released in most of the world, yet...

I'll start the list for Civ 5
1) Better AI, Civ4's AI had a few problems, please fix these.

2) A better balanced tech tree.

3) More varied terrain!

4) Fully customizable! (and I mean everything0

	30-10-2001 09:03									#9
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Don't confuse the word 'indefinite' with the word 'forever.' Big difference.

	30-10-2001 09:07									#10
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Well this is a dumbass thread!

	30-10-2001 09:25									#11
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It's necessary to say to others they're dumbass?... Gheez...

I'd say it's a little premature. Let's first see what's about Civ III. Of course I have some ideas for this and that, but I tend to slow them, simply because it would be better to see Civ III and be able to enter them in relation of Civ III, since Civ III is gonna be much more different from Civ II than any other game of the same style. And it will affect many elements, very certainly on the good side.

	30-10-2001 09:32									#12
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quote: Originally posted by yin26 Main Entry: inˇ¤defˇ¤iˇ¤nite Function: adjective Etymology: Latin indefinitus, from in- + definitus definite Date: 1530 : not definite: as a : typically designating an unidentified, generic, or unfamiliar person or thing b : not precise : VAGUE c : having no exact limits d of floral organs : numerous and difficult to ascertain in number Don't confuse the word 'indefinite' with the word 'forever.' Big difference.

Yeah yeah yeah..



I'm not going to post for an indefinite amount of time.

	30-10-2001 09:36									#13
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quote: Originally posted by yin26 Main Entry: inˇ¤defˇ¤iˇ¤nite Function: adjective Etymology: Latin indefinitus, from in- + definitus definite Date: 1530 : not definite: as a : typically designating an unidentified, generic, or unfamiliar person or thing b : not precise : VAGUE c : having no exact limits d of floral organs : numerous and difficult to ascertain in number Don't confuse the word 'indefinite' with the word 'forever.' Big difference.

Heh, guess I haven't changed my signature yet eh?

While I understand that indefinite =/ forever, I was expecting more of a respite than 3 hours. At least enough time to let the air of the Civ3 forum be rid of the stench of unjustified criticism.

But now that the game is out, criticise away!

	30-10-2001 09:49									#14
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'unjustified'

Find it.

	30-10-2001 10:16									#15
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quote: Originally posted by yin26 'unjustified' Find it.

Unfounded would have been a better word, forgive me.

Unless you have the game, you cannot comment on certain aspects of the game that are subjective, such as the AI, how ICS has been curbed, etc. All the information we've recieved up to now has been speculation, hearsay and rumour. Firaxis information releases are little better, usually containing such general and ambigous answers as to be worthless for a basis of criticism regarding the game. As we're going to see, reviews are also worthless for this type of criticism, since you can "only believe it when you see it."

However, commenting on objective elements of the game, things like missing features (MP, scenarios .), units, historical inaccuracies in civs, is acceptable if there is a valid source. You don't need the game to verify if a feature is missing, you just need an Infogames PR rep that has a spine to say a feature is missing. Unfortunatly, such a creature doesn't exist, so we end up relying on our comrades to see if these things are in or not after the game is released.

Anywho, just having some fun with ya Yin

	30-10-2001 10:32									#16
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Cool. Actually, 99% of my gripes have been about how we are treated to certain hype about MP (and scenarios) but not told the real deal. Of course there is no way to know about AI and gameplay without playing it more...

	30-10-2001 10:38									#17
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I agree about the hype, the "Advertise, then cut but don't confirm anything" style of promotion is becoming far too common nowadays.

No scenarios I can accept, we can do a better job then them most of the time. But lack of MP in a game released in the year 2001, tsk tsk tsk.

If my willpower weren't down to a nub from CivIII cravings, I'd boycott it.

	30-10-2001 10:40									#18
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quote: If my willpower weren't down to a nub from CivIII cravings, I'd boycott it.

Now THAT'S funny!

	30-10-2001 10:41									#19
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What is it with Rod and the word dumb@$$?

Civ4 should be holographic, with an AI the equal to Deep Blue, and a limited edition tin made out of the bones of famous leaders, working MP at release (okay, that last one is a little far fetched).

Just play Civ3 for a few weeks first.

	30-10-2001 12:41									#20
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I have one small, humble request for Civ IV: make it impossible, not just rare, impossible for an archer to shoot down cruise missiles. Thank you for your consideration.

	30-10-2001 13:04									#21
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I have a suggestion. If they can't get this thing worked out themselves, leave others that want to try, alone.

Infogrames is incompetent at releasing and distributing.

If an archer can shoot down a stealth fighter, I will stay in the dark ages. I can't wait to see my hoplites crush those good for nothing tanks! PWAHAHAHA

Everybody sing now: All we are saying, is give others a chance...

	30-10-2001 20:38									#22
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quote: Originally posted by DarkCloud So... when will we see a Civ IV suggestions forums?

Some should really kick you.
Are you already dreaming of Civ IV, even
if Civ III has just arrived. Hippocratic!
I suppose you haven't even played Civ III yet?
So just stay to the line and obey.

Don't see this as public offense, but I
can't understand your day dreaming.

	30-10-2001 20:43									#23
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This is absurd.......

If civ4 is even made it will be years from now.

Oh...someones already starting the civ 5 suggestions forum? Ok, I got dibs on starting the one on civ6.

We dont even know if civ3 is even decent yet...unless its as good as 2 or better, there aint even gonna be a 4.....

(atleast there shouldnt)

	30-10-2001 20:54									#24
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quote: Originally posted by drake This is absurd....... If civ4 is even made it will be years from now. Oh...someones already starting the civ 5 suggestions forum? Ok, I got dibs on starting the one on civ6. We dont even know if civ3 is even decent yet...unless its as good as 2 or better, there aint even gonna be a 4..... (atleast there shouldnt)

I'll take care of the Civ7 forum..

	30-10-2001 20:59									#25
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You're right Drake. In an interview,
Sid said that spearing ideas for a new
sequel in the Civ series isn't his and
the teams intention. And I totally understand
him. It's wrong to do so. Think on all
the civ fans how disappointed they would
be.

The interview can be found here.

	30-10-2001 21:09									#26
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You're right Drake. In an interview,
Sid said that spearing ideas for a new
sequel in the Civ series isn't his and
the teams intention. And I totally understand
him. It's wrong to do so. Think on all
the civ fans how disappointed they would
be.

The interview can be found here.

	30-10-2001 21:09									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Rasbelin You're right Drake. In an interview, Sid said that spearing ideas for a new sequel in the Civ series isn't his and the teams intention. And I totally understand him. It's wrong to do so. Think on all the civ fans how disappointed they would be. The interview can be found here.

Thanks for the link Rasbelin.

	30-10-2001 21:23									#28
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quote: Originally posted by vonManstein Thanks for the link Rasbelin.

The text has actually been intended for ACS and
it can be found here (check the Civ III news page's
download section) too. Ape's Civ III section.

	30-10-2001 21:43									#29
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what a stupid thread.

ITS NOT EVEN OUT YET!!! (here in austria)

ata

	30-10-2001 22:27									#30
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LOL ... but give Darkcloud a break! He means well. It has certainly been fun being part of the game's creation process and reliving that at some stage would be fun too, whether it is too early for influencing the game or not.