Apolyton Archive  |  Preserved copy of the Apolyton Civilization Site and its forums as they stood in September 2005. Read-only; nothing here can be posted to or replied to.  |  Forum index |  About this archive |  The 1998–2001 UBB forums
Today on Apolyton WARDELL INTERVIEW PROMO A.C.S. HISTORY CHAPTER 4 GET CIV4 /w FREE PLUS! A.C.S. PHOTO GALLERY GET A.O.M. V1.1
Apolyton Civilization Forums
main| civ2| civ3| civ4| smac| ctp2| ron| moo3| galciv| galciv2| alt| about|
ApolytonPLUS | register | search | faq | new posts | pm (-/-) | upload | members
hall of fame new! | civgroups | civgroups news | interviews | the column | radio | chat | directory | news | store | PLUS
Apolyton Civilization Forums : Powered by vBulletin version 2.0.3 Apolyton Civilization Forums > Miscellaneous > Archive > Civ3-General-Archive > Civ III is probably the greatest game we will ever see in our lifetime
Show a Printable Version | Email This Page to Someone! | Receive updates to this thread | Report this to Apolyton news!

bottom of page
  
Author
Thread   
Pages (3): [ 1   2   3   ]
< Last Thread     Next Thread > Post New Thread     Post A Reply
WarpStorm is offline WarpStorm
King
Right down the road
Nov 2001
time: 00:15
  Old Post 14-12-2002 18:37
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#61 Report this post to a moderator
Inflate your Upload Space

I am. I play it nearly every day.

Sikander is offline Sikander
King
Boulder, Colorado, United Snakes of America
Jan 2000
time: 22:15
  Old Post 15-12-2002 01:24
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#62 Report this post to a moderator
Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

I uninstalled it after about two weeks. Too linear, some bad game concepts, and not any improvement over Civ 2 IMO in most areas where it's not worse. Worst of all, it tends to be dull.

War4ever is offline War4ever
Emperor
I live amongst the Red Sox Nation
Jan 1970
time: 21:15
  Old Post 15-12-2002 01:50
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#63 Report this post to a moderator
Tired of ads?

yup, civ 3 is an ok game, but it doesn't have the staying power of civ2 IMO....time will tell if the mp part of the game is worth it or not, but at this point, i give it a pretty big thumbs down...and it doens't have that one more turn feel to it

Jaybe is offline Jaybe

King
Las Vegas, NV USA
Sep 2001
time: 21:15
  Old Post 15-12-2002 02:04
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#64 Report this post to a moderator
Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

It is still the ONLY game I play, 20+ hours per week.

Jaguar is offline Jaguar
King
Montgomery County, MD
Apr 2000
time: 00:15
  Old Post 15-12-2002 02:48
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#65 Report this post to a moderator
Increase the size of your Attachments

I played Civ I 3 times as much as all the contemporary games combined.

I played Civ II 10 times as much as all its contemporaries combined.

I play Civ III about twice as much as its contemporaries. The gap between it and my 2nd favorite, Empire Earth, is damn big. But the gap between CivII and the other games of the time was colossal.

Maquiladora is offline Maquiladora
Emperor

Jun 2001
time: 05:15
  Old Post 15-12-2002 03:56 Visit Maquiladora's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#66 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

Its all about preference. I stopped playing Civ3 after about a month. No reason other than i prefer CtP1/2 because i can change almost everything. I can even make the combat system annoyingly random. (and have done so before)

Theseus is offline Theseus

Emperor
The warmonger formerly known as rpodos. Gathering Storm! Apolyton Spirit!!
Apr 2002
time: 00:15
  Old Post 15-12-2002 05:14
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#67 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

I play as much as I can.

Over a year later.... I don't even CONSIDER playing anything else. In RL, I had spent a couple of years starting to learn how to play Go. Haven't touched a stone in 2002.

All you guys who dropped it like a hot potato don't know what you've been missing. The patches have been VERY significant (let's not get into that whole argument, please).

Civ3 1.29 and PTW 1.14 (as well as the latest AU Mod) are like nothing you've ever seen. A number of the most proficient Strat forum players have actually had to decrease difficulty level to deal with it.

So, yeah, I'm still a major fan.

Last edited by Theseus on 15-12-2002 at 17:49

Alex is offline Alex
Emperor
Brasil
Mar 1999
time: 02:15
  Old Post 15-12-2002 06:33 Visit Alex's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#68 Report this post to a moderator
Inflate your Upload Space

I don't play it nearly as much as I'd like to, mainly because of RL constraints, but... I consider it a good game. Fun, interesting and sufficiently varied (esp. now with PTW), but it is not a classic.

Franses is offline Franses
King

Aug 2000
time: 06:15
  Old Post 15-12-2002 11:38
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#69 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

I originally bought the game for MP. I thought MP would be there shortly (what a stupid mistake ) after SP so I bought the original game the day it arrived in the stores. Nonetheless, I had many many hours of fun playing SP especially after the second patch. After a year it got boring but now MP is out and I am looking forward to have many hours of fun again trusting Firaxis will fix the current problems.

My conclusion: if you like SP games CIVIII is definitely worth buying. If you want MP, it is fun already for the diehards. If you are no diehard wait with buying the game until Firaxis fixes the current problems.

VJ is offline VJ
Prince
Helsinki
Dec 2001
time: 07:15
  Old Post 15-12-2002 19:23
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#70 Report this post to a moderator
Tired of ads?

AI is still messed up, and unfair to the player.

Gangerolf is offline Gangerolf
Prince
huuhh
May 2001
time: 06:15
  Old Post 15-12-2002 19:46
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#71 Report this post to a moderator
Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

I love it. Too bad my current computer is too slow for it.

WarpStorm is offline WarpStorm
King
Right down the road
Nov 2001
time: 00:15
  Old Post 15-12-2002 19:47
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#72 Report this post to a moderator
Got spare money?

The only 'unfairness' in the AI that I've seen is the AI-AI trade rate (deficit spending). In my experience they do not gang up on the human. They will gang up on any civ they feel to be too weak, but I find that if I'm in the lead militarily they will usually go along with my diplomatic ideas (say, for example, ally against my weakest neighbor - and then there was one),

cyclotron7 is offline cyclotron7
King
Drowning in Schnitzel
Jan 2001
time: 21:15
  Old Post 16-12-2002 01:48
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#73 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

It's awesome. If I didn't have finals now I would be playing it every day.

As for the AI, vs. Civ2 AI it's no contest which is better...

Sir Ralph is offline Sir Ralph
Emperor
Long live teh Schwampel!
Dec 2001
time: 06:15
  Old Post 16-12-2002 02:04
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#74 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

I didn't play any 4x game for longer than a year. I played them all, be it Civilization, Colonization, SMAC or Call to Power with all of their sequels. With "play" I mean intensive, not only occasional nostalgy sessions. The year is over for Civ3, and I play it noticably less than I did, say, half a year ago. I'm playing EU2, 1503AD and several RPGs between my Civ3 games now. May go for MoO3 and RoN, as soon as they are available here. PtW/MP may get me back to business, if it gets fixed. If.

Raion is offline Raion
Prince
USA
Jan 2001
time: 05:15
  Old Post 17-12-2002 01:24 Visit Raion's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#75 Report this post to a moderator
Remove this text

Civ II was the same way. It did evolve over a couple of years!

Yes, years! all the stuff was added later!

I don't see any difference with Civ III, its like tradition.

No other game, has been like Civilization!

Well, not quite! Although they have tried.

CTP -- really. Really not!
Sure after modding and such, but Civ II was the same way.
Where else could one play a scenario of X-COM on a computer game. Civ II you could. Where could one play on Mars with a computer game? With Civ II, you could.
Where could one play against the aliens, Hodadians alert! With Civ II you could.

Where could anyone play anything even close to what Civ II had at the end? No where!!!!!!!

Well, Civ III may just turn out to be the same way, but it takes time!

Please, Sid, Pretty Please!!!!

The New World Order, scenario!!!!
Where is there another game like Civilization!!!!

It's a life!!!!

Actually!!!!

Those bored, are boring themselves!!!!

It's a psych game, and well, you know, that the computer game even with the AI will give you a run for your money!!!

Takes longer playing, afterall, its virtual reality in a sense.




Really!!
I do not think so with other games.

Anyone, can you tell me if an editor in MOO III is there?

It was not in MOO II.

Nope, Civ II has lasted way longer than that.
Although, one may take a break, it bites, to bring you back into it, because, its just one more time, and one more turn, type of game!!!
It's an OS, in a sense!!

monkspider is offline monkspider
King
banned
Aug 2001
time: 23:15
  Old Post 17-12-2002 23:50
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#76 Report this post to a moderator
Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

How did this thread get bumped?! I started it over a year ago!


In hindsight, Civ 3 may not be the best game we will ever play, but it's going to be pretty close to the top.

The Andy-Man is offline The Andy-Man
Prince
Tory Party of 'Poly
Jul 2001
time: 05:15
  Old Post 18-12-2002 02:30
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#77 Report this post to a moderator
Inflate your Upload Space

quote:
Civ II was the same way. It did evolve over a couple of years!

Yes, years! all the stuff was added later!

I don't see any difference with Civ III, its like tradition.

No other game, has been like Civilization!

Well, not quite! Although they have tried.


Yeah, but the first incarnation of Civ2 is still one of the best games ever....

techumseh is offline techumseh
King
of the frozen North.
Apr 1999
time: 22:15
  Old Post 18-12-2002 03:38 Visit techumseh's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#78 Report this post to a moderator
Inflate your Upload Space

quote:
Originally posted by monkspider
How did this thread get bumped?! I started it over a year ago!







quote:

In hindsight, Civ 3 may not be the best game we will ever play, but it's going to be pretty close to the top.


SlowwHand is offline SlowwHand
King
of The Cooler
Sep 1999
time: 23:15
  Old Post 18-12-2002 04:17 Visit SlowwHand's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#79 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

Civ 3 was a gift, and I still got cheated.

WarpStorm is offline WarpStorm
King
Right down the road
Nov 2001
time: 00:15
  Old Post 18-12-2002 06:41
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#80 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

I will stand by my initial feelings. This is the best game I've played this year (and I own nearly all of the AAA titles).

Mad Bomber is offline Mad Bomber
King
Columbus, Ohio
Nov 2002
time: 00:15
  Old Post 18-12-2002 09:00
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#81 Report this post to a moderator
Re: Civ III is probably the greatest game we will ever see in our lifetime Enter the AD-FREE zone

quote:
Originally posted by monkspider
I have never seen a game with so much polish, so much heart-felt dedication than Civ III.


Firaxis did improve the polish in CIV 3 over CIV 2, but there is more to a game than polish.

quote:
The AI is excellent, the game is engrossing, the diplomacy is better than I ever dreamed, the graphics are nice, the music is beautiful, replay value is truly infinite, everything is perfectly balanced, it is simply the most fun I have had with a game I can ever recall.


The AI is the best that I have seen from a strategy game, but it can still be outsmarted by a fairly competent player. Diplomacy can use ALOT of work, in fact this is the one area that really needs impovement. The music is ok, i guess. Perfectly balanced? What game have you been playing?

quote:
There are virtually no flaws, no major bugs, nothing one could possibly complain about.


No flaws? No bugs? Read the forums, both of these are ample in CIV 3.

quote:
The lack of MP on paper sounds like a bad thing, but the above-and-beyond the call of duty effort Firaxis has taken to perfect the single player game more than makes up for it. Firaxis could have put together a game half as good as Civ III and it still would have been an extremely good game, and sold like hotcakes, but they went to ungodly lengths to make the Civilization III experience one that is truly unforgettable. I thank the maker for the oppurtunity to experience this wonderful moment. In the course of human history, only a very small percent will ever get to play Civ III and I am thankful that I was one of the lucky ones. To all whom find themself at least somewhat in agreement, please keep this near the top, so newbie lurkers may be made aware of the ecstasy that is Civ III.


I like CIV 3 and it is a clear improvement over CIV 2. However there were some features in CIV2 that they removed from CIV 3 that worked. Cruisers, Stock markets, Engineers, Farmland, Statue of Liberty, and The Eiffel Tower, and the Stealth Fighter (the F-22 version) are a sample of things removed from CIV 3 that worked in CIV 2. And the only reason that I can see for their removal is to distinguish it from CIV 2. Bad move IMO. Civ 3 is a great game, but it is far, far from perfect.

cyclotron7 is offline cyclotron7
King
Drowning in Schnitzel
Jan 2001
time: 21:15
  Old Post 18-12-2002 09:17
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#82 Report this post to a moderator
Re: Re: Civ III is probably the greatest game we will ever see in our lifetime Tired of ads?

quote:
Originally posted by Mad Bomber
The AI is the best that I have seen from a strategy game, but it can still be outsmarted by a fairly competent player.


That is the case with all game AIs. Not exactly unique to Civ3...

quote:
And the only reason that I can see for their removal is to distinguish it from CIV 2.


Let's see if I can help...

quote:
I like CIV 3 and it is a clear improvement over CIV 2. However there were some features in CIV2 that they removed from CIV 3 that worked. Cruisers,


...Would be nice

quote:
Stock markets,


Replaced by Wall Street

quote:
Engineers,


Replaced by better worker rate under democracy

quote:
Farmland,


Sure, but IMO not necessary anyway

quote:
Statue of Liberty,


Overpowered

quote:
and The Eiffel Tower,


I never saw much point in this one in Civ2, it didn't do much for me... besides, useless in MP

Mad Bomber is offline Mad Bomber
King
Columbus, Ohio
Nov 2002
time: 00:15
  Old Post 18-12-2002 15:37
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#83 Report this post to a moderator
Enter the AD-FREE zone

Cyclotron:

1. The AI is good but it can use some improvement
2. Wall Street is underpowered and can only be built once, Stock markets were available in every city in CIV 2. Also, they are back for PTW, so I think Firaxis realized the mistake of removing them in CIV3.
3. Engineers also had 2 moves as well as increased working speed, and they looked much better than the ancient age workers.
4. Farmland (and supermarket) were replace by railroad tile bonuses. Another mistake, also rectified in PTW. (with supermarkets at least)
5. Why should ONLY religious civs be able to change Governments on a whim? Not overpowering in my book, putting the SOL back in the game would greatly increase the balances between the CIV's IMO. (Militaristic trait is watered down by Sun Tzu's, Scientific by Newtons and Copernicus, Commercial by Adam Smiths and Wall Street, Expansionist by available land to explore, Industrious by lack of worker tasks, what exactly waters down the religious trait?...Nothing!)
5. The Eiffel tower may be useless in MP, but it would be very useful in SP and you could give it some serious culture points to balance it out.

Traelin is offline Traelin
Prince
Miami, FL, US
Nov 2001
time: 00:15
  Old Post 18-12-2002 19:42
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#84 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

All in all I love this game. Never have I had a game keep me tired and worthless at work for so long. I couldn't imagine not having it. I'm still frustrated with some of the bugs though. Really frustrated. But you gotta take the good with the bad.

 
Pages (3): [ 1   2   3   ]
< Last Thread     Next Thread > Post New Thread     Post A Reply
All times are GMT. The time now is 05:15.
Apolyton Time is 00:15.
    top of page
Rate This Thread:
Forum Jump:
Forum Rules:
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is ON
vB code is ON
Smilies are ON
[IMG] code is ON
 




Contact Us - Apolyton Civilization Site - Support Us!

Building a better Apolyton through better information. Click here and take our poll!
Non-US visitors, click here!

Powered by: vBulletin Version 2.0.3
Copyright ©2000, 2001, Jelsoft Enterprises Limited.

Page generated in 0.0451 seconds (92.01% PHP - 7.99% MySQL) with 31 queries
Page Loading Time:

Support Apolyton: Amazon USA | Amazon UK | Amazon DE | Amazon FR |
Support Apolyton and get FREE PLUS, Buy from Chips&Bits: Galactic Civilizations | Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition | Call to Power 2 | Civilization: The Boardgame | GURPS/ Alpha Centauri | Alpha Centauri | Civilization IV | Civilization III: Complete |


Front Page | Civilization IV | Civilization III | Civilization II | Call to Power II | Alpha Centauri | Master of Orion III
Rise of Nations | Galactic Civilizations | Galactic Civilizations II | Misc
Alt.Civs | Civ I | C:CtP I | About | News | Directory | Apolyton Store | Forums | Chat | Columns | Interviews | Newsletter
Scenario League | CSC | Clash of Civs | Spanish Site | CtP Maps | Cradle of Civ | WesW's Ctp1/2 Site | Civ3 Haven

apolyton.net | apolyton.com | civilization2.net | civilization3.net | civilization4.net | civilizationiv.info | calltopower.net | galciv.net | galciv2.net | moo3.net