01-11-2001 13:30									#1
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I think I'll do the grass next, doing the simple stuff first then I'll move onto mountains, irrigation

check back here later to download, or until MarkG has it up

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	01-11-2001 14:38									#2
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Wouv! Now I am really getting impressed!
How do you do it? Are you hacking some files to do this? Or is the terrain accessible otherwise?

If the terrain is inaccessible to people without hexing skills, maybe there's a terrain editor coming up?

	01-11-2001 15:06									#3
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Is that ice on the top of the pic? Looks good, keep up the good work...

Oh and since you obviously have the game could you tell me, are all those *pcx files in 24bit/truecolor or 8bit pallette pics. I think the game is in 24bit graphics...

	01-11-2001 15:11									#4
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I believe.. 24bit but they are in indexed pcx format

so be careful if you edit the files

	01-11-2001 20:24									#5
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I'm very impressed by your work, SnOOps. But, sorry, since I'm not as technically sophisticated as you, I need help: how will I be able to apply your changes to my game?

	01-11-2001 21:18									#6
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Congratulations, and keep up the good work! I´m really looking forward to a different kind of irrigation ...

	01-11-2001 21:47									#7
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The terrain tiles is just a set of images, so if you want to replace them with terrain that someone else has altered or created, it's really not too difficult.

The biggest difficulty is with *creating* new terrain, because the tiles are generated using a 3D program and then "cut out" in a very specific and mathematically confusing way that most of US don't even understand.

As always, I would recommend making a backup before you overwrite the installed terrain tiles, if for no other reason than because restoring all those files from the game CD could be a major source of heartburn.


Dan

	01-11-2001 22:37									#8
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Thanks, Dan, for your input. But I have another question for you: how do you - you who has worked so hard on this game for so long - react to all these hotshots and upstarts redesigning your stuff within hours of its release, in some cases without even owning a copy of the game yet! Are you insulted at any level by peoples' attitude, as if nothing you make is considered good enough?
I, for one, want to thank you for an awesome job.

	01-11-2001 23:44									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Jeannette Thanks, Dan, for your input. But I have another question for you: how do you - you who has worked so hard on this game for so long - react to all these hotshots and upstarts redesigning your stuff within hours of its release, in some cases without even owning a copy of the game yet! Are you insulted at any level by peoples' attitude, as if nothing you make is considered good enough? I, for one, want to thank you for an awesome job.

I don't (and I doubt anyone else on the team does, either) take any of it personally. This is a game that is designed to appeal to a broad base of consumers, from casual gamers to RTS players who never really played TBS games, to diehard Civ players. Each group will have its own concerns, likes, dislikes, and so on. And it really is impossible to please everyone all the time, so if folks want to hack around and change things, I say go for it.

The purpose of our products are to entertain people, and nothing more. If folks get enjoyment by modding, hacking, or otherwise changing the game, more power to them.

Dan

	02-11-2001 00:46									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Dan Magaha FIRAXIS If folks get enjoyment by modding, hacking, or otherwise changing the game, more power to them. Dan

And Firaxis could give us more power with all those nice features for the editor(s) like an events language, flat map support etc...

Since I hear everywhere the game itself is great () I think the coming features like MP and better scenario options should be on the same level.

	02-11-2001 01:16									#11
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Absolutely fabulous, Sn00py!

Keep it up!

Looking forward to you uploading them there pix!
(Yeah, that sentence sounded a bit funny to me as well )

	02-11-2001 02:58									#12
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I can't see the image. If it's a *.pcx, could you please repost it in the standard *.png format?

	02-11-2001 03:03									#13
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Leo, it's a JPEG.

Quit using that sorry excuse for a browser called Opera, use a real browser.

	02-11-2001 03:20									#14
	Tasty, tasty gfx... Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

Booyah!


That is looking great Sn00py!!! Gives a very 3D look there on the polar region! Very, very good job!

Easy Suggestion #1: You'll note that the 'River Delta' (forget the name of it) has a colour that doesn't match the rivers, rather, it matches the costal ocean colour. A very easy fix to that aspect of terrain that will be a welcomed addition indeed.

Keep up the good work yo!


-FMK.

	02-11-2001 05:29									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Sn00py I think I'll do the grass next, doing the simple stuff first then I'll move onto mountains, irrigation

clap clap clap

Don't have the game yet but I'll use your patch once I can. Please carry on the good work.

	02-11-2001 18:12									#16
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I've changed a lot of things now, it's reaching a point where I have to do a lot of work and checking to see if it looks good in the game.

I've changed a few things now, the pine forest, irrigation, grass, hills and some mountains.

The irrigation is quite interesting, because I am able to make 4 different types of irrigation, and 20 different looks for each of those types, so there's up to 80 differen't irrigation appearences I can make.

How it works is, there is irrigation for 4 different types of land, tundra, grassland, plain and desert.

For each type of land, there are 20 different looks of irrigation on each.
I was thinking that this would be great, because I can put farmland (the different coloured patch types) and wheat farm on the plains. I can put that Irish/English type farmland on the grassland, maybe potatoes on desert? and I dunno about tundra..

what do ppl really want most changed?

	02-11-2001 20:11									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Sn00py what do ppl really want most changed?

In my opinion, you shouldn't knock yourself out inventing huge amounts of irrigation before you tackle other common elements, namely:

1) Roads and highways. As they are, they look like grey crochet, repetitive and dull. Can you make overpasses and spaghetti junctions, that sort of thing? Dirt roads and paved roads...
2) Railroads - any chance of more details like stations?
3) Forests - deciduous, pine, etc.
4) Ports and harbours that actually extend out from the cites into the water. (I find the little anchor symbol inadequate.)

I know this is a lot, Sn00ps, but your work is so impressive that you've got my imagination going. (I know this is cyber-heresy, but I'd even pay extra for your art if it works as well as it seems.) Thanks again.

	03-11-2001 03:55									#18
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What graphics program do you use, Snoop? I don't have one on my computer (well, not a *real* one, anyways-just Windows Paintbrush). And about how much did it cost?

Marc

	03-11-2001 04:56									#19
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Can we download this mod yet snoopy?

	03-11-2001 05:19									#20
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Nice

Is that ice from AoK btw?

	03-11-2001 07:59									#21
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IW: I never copy work, I always create my own.

EP: I've sent it to MarkG, he should have it up.

tmarcl: I use Photoshop 6.0, costs $600 NZ

Thanks for your input Jeanette, I'll have a look at those thoughts you have, see what I can come up with.

	03-11-2001 12:34									#22
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That's Jeannette with two 'n's, if you don't mind.

Looking forward to your design.

- Jeannette Bathory

	03-11-2001 22:11									#23
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Are these graphics going to be available as a package, or are we always going to have to downbload them all seperatley? Also, will these graphics work with othe mods that people create, or are the file names being changed by your graphics? Basically I wqant to know if I can use these graphics as the base graphics for the game. The graphics are really looking great Snoopy!! I especially like the blue water. I think Firaxis did a decent job of graphics, but I think these should jhust add a little bit to the game. Thanks!!!