02-11-2001 00:27									#1
	Cossacks Better Than Civ3!! Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

civ 3 is GARBAGE until they have multi-player or scenario editor that's worth anything. until then, COSSACKS RULE!!!!!! (AMERICAN CONQUEST will beat the pants off of civ3 too!!!!)

	02-11-2001 00:39									#2
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

http://apolyton.net/forums/avatar.php?userid=6238&dateline=1001608066

Last edited by Sabre2th on 02-11-2001 at 00:48

	02-11-2001 01:08									#3
	Increase Your PM Length

quote: Originally posted by Sabre2th http://apolyton.net/forums/avatar.php?userid=6238&dateline=1001608066

Hey, this dude (dudine) registered on Ape today! Talk about a first impression!

	02-11-2001 01:13									#4
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

Hey. You cant just use my avatar without a written permision. I'll sue you.

	02-11-2001 01:30									#5
	Re: Cossacks Better Than Civ3!! Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

quote: Originally posted by Jerry_Garcia civ 3 is GARBAGE until they have multi-player or scenario editor that's worth anything. until then, COSSACKS RULE!!!!!! (AMERICAN CONQUEST will beat the pants off of civ3 too!!!!)

DL!

BTW, Cossacks is (indeed great but) REALTIME, not TURNBASED - you know this apples&oranges thingy?

	02-11-2001 01:40									#6
	HOWEVER Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

can't remember with civ2 but SMAC did have RTS. civ2 may have if you knew where to alter files. in any case, i don't think this is an apples and oranage comparison but a green apple-red apple comparison. close enough in my book.

	02-11-2001 02:07									#7
	Re: HOWEVER Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote: Originally posted by Jerry_Garcia can't remember with civ2 but SMAC did have RTS. civ2 may have if you knew where to alter files. in any case, i don't think this is an apples and oranage comparison but a green apple-red apple comparison. close enough in my book.

Yeah, you're right. I actually tried Red Alert as turn based. It was great! Didn't work with RA2 though...

	02-11-2001 02:52									#8
	Suffering from ads?

You can make Red Alert 1 turn-based?! Please, tell me how! Sounds awesome!

	02-11-2001 02:58									#9
	Re: HOWEVER Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

double post ... damn server too busy messages...

	02-11-2001 02:58									#10
	Re: HOWEVER Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

quote: Originally posted by Jerry_Garcia can't remember with civ2 but SMAC did have RTS. civ2 may have if you knew where to alter files. in any case, i don't think this is an apples and oranage comparison but a green apple-red apple comparison. close enough in my book.

All you could have in Civ2 with some tricks was simultaneous unit movement during MP games, never in SP games with AI opponents so please donīt tell me that is nearly the same as RTS...

	02-11-2001 03:03									#11
	Suffering from ads?

Cossacks is great, but Cossacks is RTS and Civilization 3 is TBS, so you shouldn't be comparing them, you should just buy them both. Don't know what American Conquest is, but it sounds crap, and clearly isn't based on any real events. Of course, I may have got the wrong end of the stick, if its a game about conquering, looting and pillaging America then it'll be great.

	02-11-2001 04:03									#12
	American Conquest? Tired of ads?

Isnīt there a sequel or an expansion for Cossacks planned which plays in America? Not sure about that...

	02-11-2001 04:37									#13
	Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

Now, if you would've said Europa Universalis II was better, that would be believable...

	02-11-2001 06:13									#14
	Re: HOWEVER Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote: Originally posted by Jerry_Garcia can't remember with civ2 but SMAC did have RTS. civ2 may have if you knew where to alter files. in any case, i don't think this is an apples and oranage comparison but a green apple-red apple comparison. close enough in my book.

Huh? SMAC as an RTS? Did I miss something over the past few years or are you a dumb as you sound. Probably just stupid.

	02-11-2001 07:21									#15
	Full PM-box? Change here!

Civ as a RTS? Civ has always been, and always will be TBS,
no matter what sort of hacks or wrinkles you can put in the
engine; that's simply the basic structure of civ.

What is 'American Conquest' anyway? Historical RTS based on
US colonial expansion?

	02-11-2001 09:15									#16
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

i wanna play redalert as a tbs! show me the money!

anyway, only combo of TBS and RTS (and a great one, btw) is shogun: Total war. If you hate civ3, buy the gold edition of that instead, because TBS obviously isn't your thing if you hate civ3!

	02-11-2001 19:21									#17
	Support Apolyton

HOW THE HELL CAN U COMPARE THE 2.

Its like saying Baking is much better than going on holiday!. Piss head.

	02-11-2001 20:22									#18
	replies Support Apolyton

american conquest= game just like cossacks but on american continent and better gameplay. AC and the new add-on for cossacks will make one of the best games out there better.


for those who called me 'stupid' by saying civ is not a RTS, if you would play multiplayer instead of cowering against a wimpy,easy to beat AI , you would have learned you can adjust SMAC and civ2 to RTS while playing online.

heres a good fansite:http://www.cossacks.4players.de/englishversion/

and for those that think cossacks is another AOE series is slightly off. again, cossacks tears those games apart (and i've been long fanatics of all civ,aoe,etc strategy games).

	03-11-2001 05:57									#19
	Full PM-box? Change here!

To say that Civ MP is like an RTS is warping the analogy beyond all
recognition.

The units may move simultaneously, but it's only one phase of a
turn. Build, terraform; all are distinct phases of a single turn. In a
"true" RTS, all of your commands are carried out as you give them,
build queues, unit attacks, and so on.

What RTS games lack is the depth that TBS has. Research and
development is restricted to a few techs to boost unit power,
industry is merely a collection of buildings, economics is
non-existent, and the only way to win is by tank-rushing your
opponent to death. RTS games, even AoE and the upcoming
"Empire Earth" only focus on combat and specific points in history.
Civ aims to encompass the sweep of human existance. Try doing
that in real time.

If you hate civ, fine. There are plenty of other games for you like
Battlezone, Uprising, RA, C@C, Warcraft, etc. Just don't try to pull
the old straw man argument to put down somthing that you
disagree with.

	06-11-2001 06:49									#20
	Increase the size of your Attachments

Heretic! Burn him at the stake!

	06-11-2001 22:57									#21
	ndnls Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

first, i've been a long time civ player and will continue to do so. however, have you played both? were you aware that there are over 300 tech advances in cossacks? over 8000 unit possibilities? right now the only thing cossacks lack is the diplomacy but they are working on that. i will admit i don't see how u can play ww2 scenarios (only civ will be able to accomplish this), but as far as playing games that represent prior to flight, cossacks is the almighty. someday, a mix of both will make the ultimate strategy game.