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Makeo is offline Makeo
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and i'm teaching my self until the class i can take starts in January so i'm sure it will be very amusing for everyone.

I'll be your ottok.

Waku is offline Waku
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Muy bien, eres bienvenido.

Hay muchos links con lecciones de español por aquí.

Por cierto ¿qué significa ottok?

Dr. Nick is offline Dr. Nick
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ottok era un personaje muy querido por unos y muy burlado por otros. El pobre hablaba un ingles patetico (peor que Alf seguro ) y muchos lo burlaban... el pobre se fue con lo que lo gastaban.

*sigh*

Pobre ottok.

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Bienvenido, Makeo!

Now, the first thing you need to know to learn proper Spanish is, don't you ever listen to the Argentinians!

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Callate Fiera! El lunfardo es mucho mas practico que el español

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lo me gusta tambien! soy tambien un yanqui - hablo muy poquito (y mal ) espanol.

Spanglish comes in handy...

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Sí, Spanglish all the way!

Y lunfardo? WTF es eso? El dialecto de tu barrio?

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el lunfardo es el dialecto porteño, pibe!

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El coger me media hora a traducir uno sentencia.

All i have is a dictionary. I will have to get some books from the library. Grammar ect.

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poquito?

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Buena suerte aprendiendo español, Makeo.
Trataremos de ayudarte.

I'll correct your first mistakes
"sentencia" means juridical sentence, the correct translation for "sentence" is "frase".

In spanish, almost every word with an "a" as the last character is femenine: you should say "la sencencia" or, in this case, "la frase"

The infinitive verbal form has no preposition before. "To translate" is not "a traducir" but "traducir".

And "to take" has no sense in spanish when talking about time. Yo should have said "Me ocupa" or, quite better, "Tardo... en".

Editing: OOPS! I forgot it: I was wrong, "To take" can be translated as "tomar" when talking about time: it's unused in Spain, but very used in Latin America. It's correct and you can use it, sorry for my mistake. As you see, it's almost impossible to completely understand the spanish language, because there are too many people using it and too sepparated.

So the correct sentence would have been:

"Tardo media hora en traducir una frase"
(As I do with english posts )

But it also would have been correct (not in Spain, but...):

"Me toma media hora traducir una frase"

It's difficult to believe you've made so many mistakes in just a sentence, isn't it? Don't worry, you will improve. And, if you want, you can correct us when we write in english.

¡Buena suerte!

P.S: "Un poquito" means "a little bit"

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And, of course, "to take" has no sense in spanish when talking about time.

What about "me lleva media hora traducir una frase"

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What about "me lleva media hora traducir una frase"


Fue lo primero que pensé, Waku, pero es coloquial (aunque correcto) y, lo más importante, no tiene demasiado sentido desde el punto de vista ligüístico; bastante jodido es este idioma para entrar en expresiones como esa, ya tendrá tiempo el pobre de aprender las sutilezas del Español. Y después, le enseñaremos los tacos .

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and i'm teaching my self until the class i can take starts in January so i'm sure it will be very amusing for everyone.

I'll be your ottok.


Hi! I'm sure that your Spanish will be better, within a month, that my English

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Hey Mak, we also do Multiplayer Civ! In Spanish. Loads of fun

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All i have is a dictionary. I will have to get some books from the library. Grammar ect.

Good idea - understanding the grammar will unfold the structure of a sentence. Key to this is verb conjugations! In spanish, prepositions (I, he, we, etc) are generally not spoken because the verb conjugation contains this identifier.

For example, english "I go" is spanish "voy." English "we go" is spanish "vamos."

If you can identify the who, what, and whom of the sentense, deciphering the meaning is much faster.

(All those Civ3 posters are clogging the forum server! Go back to your game! Let us post! )
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good luck makeo

don´t worry if you don´t understand us or if you make a lot of mistakes, none of us spoke english when we were born.

you just need to practice a lot

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Yeah, this is getting really annoying, isn't it?

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Jay Bee, ¿jugais generalmente pbem o i.p. juegos?

Gracias Jasev por su ayuda.

I'm pretty sure i have the form of 'your help' incorrect.

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quote:
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Jay Bee, ¿jugais generalmente pbem o i.p. juegos?


Both

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Gracias Jasev por su ayuda.
I'm pretty sure i have the form of 'your help' incorrect.


Well, in fact it's correct. When you're formally speaking, you say:
"Gracias por su ayuda"
"Usted tiene razón"
"You", when formally speaking, is used as a 3rd person in spanish. So the verbal form is "tiene", that belongs to "el tiene" instead of "tú tienes".
It's the same as german, when you can say "du" or "Sie".

But you don't have to speak formally to me, so you can say:
"Gracias por tu ayuda"
" tienes razón"

And thus ends the second jasev&berlizt spanish lesson. Come back tomorrow. Courage, Makeo, you're making progress.

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