07-11-2001 03:30									#31
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People with slow-down issues:

Just a question here, but do all of you have your display settings at 24-bit "True Colour"? My mate had a problem with an Nvidia with a few other games (3D & 2D) and we solved the slow performance issues NOT by rolling back the drivers, but by simply changing colours to 16K colours. By dropping the colour bits-per-pixel these games didn't have to wait for the display card to convert all the 16-bit graphics to 24-bit graphics.

Just a suggestion.

	07-11-2001 15:29									#32
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No, setting color depth to 16- or 32-bit didn't help me at all. Scrolling and animation with my GeForce 2 MX on Windows 2000 is still 3x slower than with my old 2D card.

-a rabbit

	08-11-2001 01:23									#33
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Using the NVidia 12.90 drivers DOES eliminate the slow down on my Windows 2000 machine. Now I keep a 12.90 installer and a 22.80 installer on my desktop, but I have to reboot each time I switch. The link to all the drivers is in this thread.

-a rabbit

	08-11-2001 05:54									#34
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...I also have this extremely slow scrolling under Win2K SP2 with a GeForce MX2/32MB. I have an Athlon 1000/768MB RAM and I canīt use the older Detonator drivers, then the game shows only a black display after the intro. I read this can be caused by older monitors (or their drivers), mine is indeed old (but with the latest drivers), but absolutely capable to display 1024x768 (or even more) in 16/32bit so I see no reason to buy a new one...

	10-11-2001 13:32									#35
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Hey BeBro,

I had the same problem, but I hacked out a work-around. I have a ViewSonic PF790, which will run 102x768 @ 100 Hz just fine. But it won't run at 120 Hz. This is what Civ3 is trying to do, and the older nVidia drivers seem perfectly content to let it.

The problem lies inside the nv4_disp.inf file of the installer directory. It contains all the information that says which chipsets run at which frequencies at which resolutions. I went into the file and removed the reference to 120 Hz on 1024 x 768 resolutions on NV11 chipsets (I have a GF2MX, your mileage may vary). Here's a section of the original INF file:

-----
HKR,, NV11_Modes, %REG_SZ_APPEND%, "32 640 400 60 70 72 75 85 100 120 0"
HKR,, NV11_Modes, %REG_SZ_APPEND%, "32 800 600 60 70 72 75 85 100 120 0"
HKR,, NV11_Modes, %REG_SZ_APPEND%, "32 1024 768 60 70 72 75 85 100 120 0"
HKR,, NV11_Modes, %REG_SZ_APPEND%, "32 1152 864 60 70 72 75 85 100 120 0"
HKR,, NV11_Modes, %REG_SZ_APPEND%, "32 1280 960 60 70 72 75 85 100 120 0"
HKR,, NV11_Modes, %REG_SZ_APPEND%, "32 1280 1024 60 70 72 75 85 100 120 0"
-----

I just removed the red 120 and replaced it with spaces.

The information appears in a couple of places in the file, so make sure you get it all. If you're using a signed (WHQL) driver, this will make it unsigned, but it'll work perfectly well otherwise. Hope this helps!

TTFN, DigityBhu

	10-11-2001 14:49									#36
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You can just d/l the nvidia refresh rate fix from here as mentioned earlier without messin about with the registry

	10-11-2001 23:34									#37
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The nvidia refresh rate fix download only sets the minimum refresh rate, so it has no effect on the slowdown problem. Civ3 has an issue with the maximum refresh rate.

	16-11-2001 03:38									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Digitybhu Hey BeBro, I had the same problem, but I hacked out a work-around. I have a ViewSonic PF790, which will run 102x768 @ 100 Hz just fine. But it won't run at 120 Hz. This is what Civ3 is trying to do, and the older nVidia drivers seem perfectly content to let it. The problem lies inside the nv4_disp.inf file of the installer directory. It contains all the information that says which chipsets run at which frequencies at which resolutions. I went into the file and removed the reference to 120 Hz on 1024 x 768 resolutions on NV11 chipsets (I have a GF2MX, your mileage may vary). Here's a section of the original INF file: ----- HKR,, NV11_Modes, %REG_SZ_APPEND%, "32 640 400 60 70 72 75 85 100 120 0" HKR,, NV11_Modes, %REG_SZ_APPEND%, "32 800 600 60 70 72 75 85 100 120 0" HKR,, NV11_Modes, %REG_SZ_APPEND%, "32 1024 768 60 70 72 75 85 100 120 0" HKR,, NV11_Modes, %REG_SZ_APPEND%, "32 1152 864 60 70 72 75 85 100 120 0" HKR,, NV11_Modes, %REG_SZ_APPEND%, "32 1280 960 60 70 72 75 85 100 120 0" HKR,, NV11_Modes, %REG_SZ_APPEND%, "32 1280 1024 60 70 72 75 85 100 120 0" ----- I just removed the red 120 and replaced it with spaces. The information appears in a couple of places in the file, so make sure you get it all. If you're using a signed (WHQL) driver, this will make it unsigned, but it'll work perfectly well otherwise. Hope this helps! TTFN, DigityBhu

Can you post a notepad file of exactly how it should be?

	20-11-2001 05:13									#39
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Well, I gess there's nothing like the good old Windows 98.

My advice to you all: forget Win 2000 and XP

	20-11-2001 23:15									#40
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quote: Originally posted by FALVES Well, I gess there's nothing like the good old Windows 98. My advice to you all: forget Win 2000 and XP

Or forget about nVidia boards! I'm having no problems with my S3 Virge on win2k.

	21-11-2001 02:33									#41
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Strange. I don't have any problems with my Geforce 2 MX with 32 megs on Win 2K at all. Never locked up once and is not slow at all. I belive my drivers are the 12.41 version.

	21-11-2001 21:59									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Zealot Or forget about nVidia boards! I'm having no problems with my S3 Virge on win2k.

An S3 Virge, wow haven't heard of that card in about 5 years, must really zip along in 3d games

	25-11-2001 01:15									#43
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Are you all talking about the scroll that occurs when the mouse pointer goes to the edge of the screen? I don't even like that feature, its more of a hindrance to me, since I move by hitting 'C', clicking on specific squares, and sometimes clicking on the minimap. The only thing the mouse scroll does is accidentally activate on me sometimes which is annoying.

Is there any way to turn this 'feature' off?

	29-11-2001 20:31									#44
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I have the problem too - damn slow scroll and others.

I've tryed a lot of different nvida drivers but did not help at all 11.01, 12.41,12.80, 12.90, 14.xx, 21.xx, 22.xx

trying 16 bit and other resolutions did not help me either

specs:
win2k sp2
asus Gforce 3
512 RAM
tbird 1.33 Ghz

maybe Civ does not like my asus GF3 gfx, i don't know. Well I just have to wait for the patch

	29-11-2001 23:41									#45
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quote: Originally posted by chriskjel An S3 Virge, wow haven't heard of that card in about 5 years, must really zip along in 3d games

I didn't even try!
I play at the office, so there isn't much I can complain.

I just wanted to say that my scrolling isn't that well anymore. I'm playing a Large map, and the scroll is slow, and is getting worse with time.

But since I'm not using any nVidia card, I really don't know what to do about it.
It's still playable though. Just extra boring.

	03-12-2001 00:56									#46
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Quick note about the slowdown, including the scrolling AND seemingly all game elements, like the AI turns and the time it takes to open Advisor screens:

I was getting atrocious delays early in the game, and by the middle of the Industrial era had waits of about 5min. I got my comp' with a now next to useless copy of Win ME (I have been using Win2K), and noted that less ppl seemed to have the probs with this. Thus, I tried Civ3 under Win ME and it works!!!! No slowness anywhere - scrolling is about 3x faster for a start. This isn't a fix for those with only one OS, but, if you can be buggered, try in Win 98 or ME. My results were quite outstanding. Who'd have thunk it? ME actually can SOLVE a problem.

My specs:

PIII 800
128 RAM
GeForce 2 MX 400
SB Live! Value
20GB

	30-03-2002 22:07									#47
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I'm not sure if this is the same one you guys are talking about, but on occasion the game does do this "slow scroll" thing. The thing I'm more concerned about, because it happens more frequently, is that the game just freezes for a second, or so, when it cycles to a unit for you to move. It doesn't do this all the time either.

I'm running W98(not SE). I have a AMD k7-800, Nvidia TNT2 Riva 64, 256 MG of ram, everything up to date. The thing is before I had to reformat my drive, I didn't have this problem. I'm suspecting it has to do with the Nvidia drivers, from what I've read here and because I'm having a new graphics slowdown in another game.

	01-06-2002 09:32									#48
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I have the following system:

Win98 SE
AMD K6-2, 3D processor, MMX, 500MHz
256 MB RAM
64 MB Radeon 7000 video card
DirectX 8.1

What (if anything) can I do to improve the scrolling?

	24-06-2002 19:19									#49
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I am having the same problem.. slow SLOW animation. I have two machines.. On a 1.6 GHZ athlon, with GEforce4 and winXP, the other with a pentium 200 with TNT2 and winXP.

It is the first computer(the better one) that won't work with civ3. They are both using the same detinator drivers. I have tried everything in this thread, and nothing seems to increase the animation speed. If i tun the animations off the game runs fine... but its such a shame to miss out on them!

anyone figure it out yet?

	14-12-2002 18:04									#50
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i get extreamly long long long waits at the end of my turn and sometimes just between changing units.... PLEASE HELP !

i have windows 98
128 RAM
pIII 555 (i think)
and the stunning............ VOODOO 3 !!!!
i've never downloaded any drivers before is that the problem ? if so where do i get them ?

	02-02-2003 23:27									#51
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I am running WinXP with a GeForce2 GTS and the latest Detonator drivers. Truth to be told, I'm only getting slower scrolling in the military advisor screen when sorted by units rather than cities. *shrug* I can live with it for now; I'm not lowering performance in other games just to correct such a small problem.

	24-01-2004 16:47									#52
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As an extra the new version 5 drivers for Nvidia cards also cause problems with some of the quake based games (Return to Castle Wolfenstein and Enemy Teratory).

If you are planning to update or rollback your drivers delete any of the saved proflies (the thinks that show up in the custom colour setting) as these can cause funny colour effect and make it inpossible to read anything on the screen.

	10-02-2004 22:52									#53
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I just installed the civ 3, it use to work perfectly with my other monitor, I just updated the drivers for the new monitor, and when I run civ 3 it show a error msg
scan out of range.
I tried to download a "powerstrip" prgram but it didn't work.
Is there a solution for this?

	08-09-2005 23:01									#54
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thx for the info.