02-11-2001 15:12									#1
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I've come to a couple of problems when selecting the civs for FAR (The 'official' title for my upcoming scenario).
The scenario deals with the middle east (Iran, Afghanistan, southern Central Asia and to a certain extent, India and Iraq) during the later dark ages (ca. 800/900-1100/1200, not entirely sure about that yet). Let me tell you this will be of certain interest at the present state of the world.
There were a couple of major empires/states in that area at that time:
[*] The Samanids were the keepers of Persian culture, their empire controlled large parts of Central Asia, including Bokhara and Samarqand.
[*] The Abbasid Caliphate was but a shadow to the Iranians
[*] The Ghaznavids were an up and coming power of turkish descendance and later built an empire extending from Iraq to Delhi.
Then, there were a couple of minor states in Iran itself:
[*] Fars, ruled by the Bujids; they later brought an end to the Abbasids by conquering their capital Baghdad.
[*] The Ghurids in today's Afghanistan, keepers of the oriental culture
[*] Kerman

I might have Kerman replaced, but by whom? I will include a Hindu civilization, and then I'm asking myself wether or not to include the Seldjuk Turks. Perhaps I should, but I don't know wether I should extend the scale then (I don't want to). What I don't want to include for certain is anything Christian. That would have to be too detailed, and there are several excellent scenarios about that out there.

	03-11-2001 00:21									#2
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it sounds really interesting, the sassanids are a really misterious empire for me, I´ve seen them a lot of times in maps but i never read anything for them,

this should be an interesting scenario

	03-11-2001 01:06									#3
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Sorry, this is 200 years after the fall of the Sasanid empire
But you ought to check your mail...

	03-11-2001 23:07									#4
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Nope for Hindus... put in Seldjuk and Qarakhainds. After all, the fight for Iran control was between Seldjuks, Ghaznavids ad qarakhanids, with Samanids in the middle. MHO.

	04-11-2001 05:09									#5
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I'd really want to include the Hindus. I don't want them to be Barbarian...
The scenario really isn't that much about northern Iran... it'll take a big spot, but I'd really like to focus on the southern and western parts as well... I might have a solution, though.

	04-11-2001 20:09									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Stefan Härtel [*] The Samanids

okay, samanids, not sassanids, I have to learn to read

	05-11-2001 00:53									#7
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Samanids, huh?

The central asian cavalry... from a long time lost Dandanaqan scenario.

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	05-11-2001 01:52									#8
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Looks good... here are a couple of assorted units from the first draft:
(This is rawhide, which means there is no guarantee they will really be used)

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	05-11-2001 18:43									#9
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Looks good yours, too. Lemme see if i can find out some maps or something else...

PS any idea about bujids Dailam infantry?

	06-11-2001 00:49									#10
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I have always heard of the daylami of being more of a Ghaznavid unit... I made it available to all players nonetheless (except for the Hindus).

	06-11-2001 01:00									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Stefan Härtel daylami of being more of a Ghaznavid unit...

Daylami? as Ghaznavid unit? Ghulami cavalry was one of their strongholds, for all i knew about it.

Dailam infantry was recruited by Buyids in Northern Iran sciites muslims to serve as skilled infantry. Are you sure they are the same unit? If so...

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	06-11-2001 10:21									#12
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Ghulami.

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