03-11-2001 01:16									#1
	Do you think that there is too much corruption in Civ III? Full PM-box? Change here!

Do you think that corruption is too much in Civ III and should be fixed in the next patch? Do you think it is fine the way it is? Only those with Civ III please vote.

	21-04-2002 02:36									#2
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They've been doing a pretty good job patching it so far, but it could still use some working.

	21-04-2002 02:45									#3
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i think that it's managable in Democracy and Communism, but in Despotism it's simply insane. Monarchy isn't much of an improvement, and the whole "no pop killing" rush system makes monarchy much less attractive.

in my opinion, monarchy should have the same corrutpion levels as a republic, but a republic should make 1.5x as much money (democracy has 2x right?) that way republic makes more money than a monarchy, but monarchy has much less corruption than a democracy. maybe i'll mod that now.

	21-04-2002 06:33									#4
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quote: but a republic should make 1.5x as much money (democracy has 2x right?) that way republic makes more money than a monarchy, but monarchy has much less corruption than a democracy. maybe i'll mod that now.

1) Republic and democracy has the exact same bonus. It's one more trade for each tiles which is already producing another trade.

2) The democracy has actually the lowest corruption of all gvt.

	21-04-2002 06:45									#5
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I don't have a problem with the corruption levels.
I don't think Firaxis should change corruption significantly becuase its so easy to change the corruption yourself using the editor.

	21-04-2002 08:45									#6
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[QUOTE] Originally posted by UberKruX
i think that it's managable in Democracy and Communism, but in Despotism it's simply insane. Monarchy isn't much of an improvement, and the whole "no pop killing" rush system makes monarchy much less attractive.


this might be a reason why you have to switch to democracy

don't tell me there are too many gov's now hey

	21-04-2002 09:25									#7
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quote: Originally posted by UberKruX in my opinion, monarchy should have the same corrutpion levels as a republic, but a republic should make 1.5x as much money (democracy has 2x right?) that way republic makes more money than a monarchy, but monarchy has much less corruption than a democracy. maybe i'll mod that now.

According to alexman's cprruption study, republic and monarchy do have the same corruption rate. The advantage for the republic is the one extra trade per square that has one trade.

	21-04-2002 09:28									#8
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It has been so long seen I posted this thread tha I forgot about it untill you guys posted stuff in here. I put this up a couple of weeks after Civ3 came out. But if you dont like corruption you can always change it in the editor.

	21-04-2002 09:29									#9
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It's a hot topic.

	21-04-2002 09:35									#10
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there should be an option of "yes a little too much". i still dont really like how much there is, but i dont think it is as bad as i did when civ3 first came out.

	21-04-2002 10:05									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Jack_www It has been so long seen I posted this thread tha I forgot about it untill you guys posted stuff in here. I put this up a couple of weeks after Civ3 came out. But if you dont like corruption you can always change it in the editor.

I've been reading through the old posts ( I like nostalgia) and I thought that this thread was still relevant. I wanted to reply, and I wanted to see others reply as well. That's why I answered it. Its a good topic.

	21-04-2002 20:43									#12
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I do not find the corruption enjoyable at all ...

But I don't have any really better ideas for limiting empire size. I think it does that job fairly well. Its pretty much just like the riot factor in Civ2 deity ... a pain, but you can work around it.

So I don't like it, but I don't have any better idea that would be significantly different. Its ok.

But man was it a shock first game!

	21-04-2002 21:32									#13
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quote: Originally posted by nato I do not find the corruption enjoyable at all ...

I agree.

	21-04-2002 21:47									#14
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Monarchy and Republic have the same corruption by distance (in some cases Republic is 1% better). It is corruption by number of cities where they vary.

	22-04-2002 06:25									#15
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quote: Originally posted by nato I do not find the corruption enjoyable at all ... But I don't have any really better ideas for limiting empire size. I think it does that job fairly well. Its pretty much just like the riot factor in Civ2 deity ... a pain, but you can work around it.

this is causing the problem, i.e. no one has got one!!(yet?)

same goes for ICS? REX?

	22-04-2002 06:38									#16
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Nope. I find corruption tolerable.
but then, I've modded it so there are more corruption fighting bldgs. (pre-1.21)

that way, you can expand your empire, but only if you are willing to spend on infrastructure (more developer friendly game). straight warmongers just raze everything so there's no stopping them but warmonger imperialists get slowed down since they can't have their cake and eat it too.

the tough bit is getting anything built in the frontier city in the first place, but that's the challenge. i build up a powerful core that generates $$, which i then spend (invest) on a frontier city, one at a time. Once that city is up to 75% production (in less than 10 turns usually), move to the next most promising one. To get the pop up to make it useful quickly, use workers, thus avoiding carrying improvement costs without benefit. If you improve one city at a time, it really helps, rather than doing them all just a bit.

	22-04-2002 22:54									#17
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I think its perfect as it is!

NOW WHERES MY CASH SID?

	23-04-2002 02:21									#18
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I don' think corruption is that big a problem in the game, never had it become unbearable. Then again, I don't have 50 cities spread accross a giga-map after the 1st 100 turns

	23-04-2002 02:27									#19
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Corruption is just fine as it now is. Its ment to be that way.

People dont seem to understand that this is CIV 3; not any CtP crap or civ1-2.

Whiners should stick to these games, and quit the corruption nag.

	24-04-2002 21:48									#20
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the problem with corruption and pollution in Civ3 is not there is too much, it is that you can't control it. at least it was so before 1.21. with 1.21 I can actually see the combo courthouse/p. station get some improvement. however I still think that both corruption and pollution should be clearly quantified in the game, as well as the benefits of the city improvements designed to offset its results. as an example courthouse would decrease corruption by 30 % and p. station by an additional 30 %. this would ensure that a city producing 10-11 shields would loose only 4-5 shields instead of spending the all game collecting 1 shield only. so corruption would always exist but at least it could become manageable.