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DarkHawke
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Well, I've been running into an interesting situation. I've played 4 games of Civ3 since it came out, and have yet to ever see the computer fight anyone but me. Not once have I even noticed a skirmish between computer foes, much less an actual war.
That makes things a little more difficult, as they seemingly do nothing but spew out military units so that they can wander back and forth across my land non-stop (*insert CtP1 flashback here*). Without wars between the computer civs, there's no attrition of those units, and it really gets rather difficult to keep up .
For example, I had 30 cities and 250 units, and STILL had the smallest army in the game! I wanted to declare war, but that would have been a bit ugly with perhaps 300 units wandering around my territory randomly. (All telling them to get out does is move them just over the nearest border, and they promptly move back in.)
Anyway, any idea why I've never seen the computer fight itself? I've been playing difficulties from Warlord to Regent. (On a side note, first game was on Regent, was embarrassing how fast that taught me that my SMAC strategies weren't going to work!)
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shark
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I've DEFINATELY seen civs fighting each other
it's definately not a bug, however, the fighting has been drastically toned down, that may be the problem you are seeing
if you run a large {or huge} world and fewer than max civs you may not see many battles
try retiring and going through the history thing and you will see that other civs are indeed at war and are indeed conquering each other, just at a more realistic less psychotic pace than civ2, which was ALL about war
remember, this is a culture sim more than anything and you can even win with pure diplomacy, so the emphasis is less on war than civ2
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Libertarian
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I think that the AI just won't attack unless it feels it can win. :-) |
A valuable lesson for us all!
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KnightOwl
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Edmonton, AB, Canada
Nov 2001
time: 05:15
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The computer is definitly alot more ruthless in this game.. when they smell blood they go in for the kill.. otherwise they're content to sit back and send 100 units into your lands each turn.. you'd think after you tell them to leave for the 100th time in a row they'd get the picture? Really annoying behavior... Almost as annoying as having a computer city behind your borders and them having like 20 units inside the borders which constantly moving around each turn.. and you're forced to watch it.. Ugh.. Firaxis where is the 'I don't care about other Civs movements' option?
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Stretch
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Central Illinois
Oct 2001
time: 23:15
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I agree, it happens but its not obvious.
I had a very dangerout trade connection to Germany, Greece, and France. One road connected my capital to Berlin and from there the other two civs Suddenly I could not trade with any of the three, for no apparent reason. Turned out Greece, at war with Germany, had destroyed a piece of road way up in the german controlled zone and thus cut my route. Germany built it back about 200 years later..
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Akron
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quote:
Originally posted by KnightOwl
The computer is definitly alot more ruthless in this game.. when they smell blood they go in for the kill.. otherwise they're content to sit back and send 100 units into your lands each turn.. you'd think after you tell them to leave for the 100th time in a row they'd get the picture? Really annoying behavior... Almost as annoying as having a computer city behind your borders and them having like 20 units inside the borders which constantly moving around each turn.. and you're forced to watch it.. Ugh.. Firaxis where is the 'I don't care about other Civs movements' option? |
I have the same problem. Especially annoying is when the AI builds a city on that one square in the middle of your empires that isn't within your borders, which takes away some of the squares that you could have worked. This really should be considered an act of war. And even more annoying is when the AI parades through your empire without a right of passage agreement. PLEASE Firaxis, make it an act of war if the AI moves back into your territory if you've told it in the last ten turns not to. I really would have hoped that after 10 years of civ, this annoyance would be fixed. What is the point of borders if they are meaningless.
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DarkHawke
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Actually, I've watched playbacks, and cannot see ANY cities changing from one computer civ to another- that's one of the things I specifically looked for.
While I don't mind the fact that the computer doesn't just randomly declare war any more, there seems to be a slight problem in that it's set to just pour out the military units. After a certain point, the computer really needs to make a check and either pick a war somewhere, or stop making new units (upgrading is fine).
I also REALLY like the idea of going back to something similar to a SMAC model, where re-entering someone's borders within so many turns of agreeing to leave is an automatic act of war. Right now, the only way to convince the computer to stay off your land is to annihilate the offending civ.
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kimmygibler
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I've seen lots of wars between ai civs. I've had the English take over 2 othere civs before. This is no bug.
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Grim Legacy
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War Machine, Barbaric King, Relentless, Remorseless, Guiltless and Unclean!
Aug 2001
time: 06:15
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quote:
Originally posted by DarkHawke
Aye, 250-300 units does seem excessive - it was a really ugly military buildup, as I had 3 countries larger than me dancing through my nation at will. I had the tech edge, they had numerical superiority.
And while it did slow down my system a bit, mine's designed to handle it:
Athalon 1.4 GHz
256 Mb PC-2100
Various other neat new stuff. 
Also, about 75 of the units in my army were the various garrisons. |
At least the 255 unit limit from Civ2 is gone.
Regarding your PC: if the game bogs down on a 300Mhz PC to a point where it takes 40 seconds of waiting each turn, your PC will still make you wait 10 as well. Not exactly zippy either.
It's spelled "Athlon" by the way. =]
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cpbeller
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Well, actually, the game i am playing (huge world map, 16 civs), it is in 780 A.D., and i have found out about the first war (that i have heard of anyways)...The Americans declared war against the Russians. Then, they asked me to go to war against the Russians also and to sign a Right of Passage Treaty (the Russians are right below me on the map, with the the English right above me). I declined to go to war at that time, but then, a couple of turns later, The Persians then joined the Americans in the war against the Russians. So, they do fight, guess just not as much as before, and maybe now when they fight, they actually go to war for a reason...
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Matte979
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Sweden
Nov 2000
time: 05:15
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This worked for me, to keep you borders working i realised that culture is really important then they respect you.
About wars and stuff difficulty seem important.. I play Regent and I have alliances and wars.
/Mathias
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squid
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Originally posted by Akron
PLEASE Firaxis, make it an act of war if the AI moves back into your territory if you've told it in the last ten turns not to. |
Good idea...perhaps we should even extend it? Make it an act of war for any military unit to enter into enemy territory if it is not already in enemy territory.
I don't mind workers building trade connections, but I've seen that be considered hostile once.
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Blaupanzer
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Fairfax, VA
Oct 2000
time: 00:15
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The AI will fight each other. I played 8 civs normal random world. On replay, 4 civs had captured cities from other civs through combat. Two civs were at war with a third and fourth civ when I discovered them. One civ attacked me after my culture converted one of his cities. (He lost another for his trouble and sued for peace.) This all in my first, "test" game on the lowest level. So the AIs will fight. (I was aztecs (2 wars), the others were Iriquois (1 war), Americans (0), British (2), Germans (2), Russians (2), Egyptions (1), and Rome (1). And these are only the wars I know about. I noted they don't stay at war if the actual fighting stops. I also noted they don't trade much among each other. At least this is so at the Chieftain level.
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BiggN
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I just played a 16 Player game, i was ALLLL Alone on the Americas.
Before id even made contact w/ 1 Civ on the rest of the planet, a message popped up saying *or maybe i'd only made contact w/ 1* "The Germans have Destroyed the French"
So i can say that they DEFINATLY do attack other people
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