06-11-2001 08:41									#1
	Did you guys fall asleep and leave the OT closed Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

It's now 10:40 and the OT is still closed!!! You can't tell me the traffic at this hour is that heavy. Confess someone forgot to reopen it before he went to sleep.

	06-11-2001 09:57									#2
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Nevermind...

	06-11-2001 10:07									#3
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Victor, you are going to be a 'King' for eternity. You realize this, don't you?

	06-11-2001 10:19									#4
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Yeah, I post only in the OT... except for an odd post in S&D... and now that the OT is down I've posted complaining about it here which has slightly raised my post count, but not too much... like 10 posts.

	06-11-2001 10:43									#5
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I went to my forums and then fell asleep.

	06-11-2001 10:56									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse I went to my forums and then fell asleep.

Hm. Me too.

	06-11-2001 13:31									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Victor Galis It's now 10:40 and the OT is still closed!!! You can't tell me the traffic at this hour is that heavy. Confess someone forgot to reopen it before he went to sleep.

actually, i did go to sleep at 3:30(8:30est) and left the OT closed but we still had 500-550 people and the server had not calmed down

i left a note to the others to open it when the amount of users got lower.

	06-11-2001 14:09									#8
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there is life outside the OT?

I will be a King for a lifetime, but only a fool for a day (obscure album reference here)

	07-11-2001 01:25									#9
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Nooo... original reply erased, it was about how if MarkG would have been the only person with the ability to close/open the OT, then we'd be screwed anytime the traffic didn't lighten up around dinner time here

Considering I wake up just in time for class/breakfast/lunch, and get back in the afternoon, I fear I shan't see much of the OT in the comming weeks.

	07-11-2001 01:40									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident there is life outside the OT? I will be a King for a lifetime, but only a fool for a day (obscure album reference here)

Weren't you an emperor before?

	07-11-2001 08:30									#11
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they did it again.

	07-11-2001 08:34									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Victor Galis Nooo... original reply erased, it was about how if MarkG would have been the only person with the ability to close/open the OT, then we'd be screwed anytime the traffic didn't lighten up around dinner time here Considering I wake up just in time for class/breakfast/lunch, and get back in the afternoon, I fear I shan't see much of the OT in the comming weeks.

Ooh, N Americans *****ing about how hard done by they are, when some of us don't even have Civ3 yet!

	07-11-2001 09:07									#13
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Can anyone honestly tell me that an increase in traffic wasn't expected in the advent of Civ3? Why weren't there any plans in place to cope with the increase?

	07-11-2001 09:23									#14
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Niehter do I. (Stupid busy life and lack of car)

	07-11-2001 10:17									#15
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Can anyone honestly tell me that an increase in traffic wasn't expected in the advent of Civ3? Why weren't there any plans in place to cope with the increase?

They planned for verbose excuses?

	07-11-2001 10:25									#16
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Can anyone honestly tell me that an increase in traffic wasn't expected in the advent of Civ3? Why weren't there any plans in place to cope with the increase?

Dinodoc demands answers

	07-11-2001 19:29									#17
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The people have a right to know.

	08-11-2001 00:24									#18
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<I>Can anyone honestly tell me that an increase in traffic wasn't expected in the advent of Civ3? Why weren't there any plans in place to cope with the increase?</I>

There was foreknowledge that there would be a traffic increase -- we never said that we weren't expecting one. However, exactly <I>how much</I> and for <I>how long</I> were not known nor could it be measured -- too many variables and not all of them had clear values.

This is a common situation for web server owners, administrators and users. We hope that you can appreciate the difficulty and complexity of this dilemma and thank you for your patience and understanding.

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	08-11-2001 01:12									#19
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quote: Originally posted by DanQ <I>Can anyone honestly tell me that an increase in traffic wasn't expected in the advent of Civ3? Why weren't there any plans in place to cope with the increase?</I> There was foreknowledge that there would be a traffic increase -- we never said that we weren't expecting one. However, exactly <I>how much</I> and for <I>how long</I> were not known nor could it be measured -- too many variables and not all of them had clear values. This is a common situation for web server owners, administrators and users. We hope that you can appreciate the difficulty and complexity of this dilemma and thank you for your patience and understanding. ---------------- Dan; Apolyton CS

But Dan, you were the ones who kept us informed about several peaks in a row! And you were the ones who could know when the servers would "blow up"! You know the capacity, you saw visitors continuously increasing, yet you did nothing but stare!

Now how complex is this dilemma? Because I only think about 2 solutions!
1- Gamestats invests in extra hardware, so it's a matter of a small amount of time before the problem is fixed.
2-No money, no extra hardware. You just ban the occasional visitors who won't even realise what's going on.
And close those spammer's forum called "Off-Topic"!

Of course, I understand that it's not your (Dan Q) fault. It's Gamestats.

	08-11-2001 02:08									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Zealot But Dan, you were the ones who kept us informed about several peaks in a row! And you were the ones who could know when the servers would "blow up"! You know the capacity, you saw visitors continuously increasing, yet you did nothing but stare!

actually, we didnt know the capacity of the server, nor how much each decision would affect the situation

for example, today i turned off avatars for everyone. i didnt and couldnt know if it would make a small or a big difference. however it has made a difference and today we were able to not close the civ3 forums for the guests even though we made a new peak....

	08-11-2001 02:32									#21
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what time did the OT get opened this morning? I went to sleep at like 3am with no OT up

	08-11-2001 02:39									#22
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Just because you can't predict things scientifically is no reason not to plan...or at least contingencyt plan. The traffic increase could be reasonably expected. It would have been more of a surpirse if we hadn't had such an increase.

Actions should have been taken to determine the capacity of the server.

If you think ahead, you have more options.

just because there are "multiple variables" is no excuse for not planning.

	08-11-2001 04:30									#23
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quote: Ooh, N Americans *****ing about how hard done by they are, when some of us don't even have Civ3 yet!

You're just jealous 'cause you don't speak American.

	08-11-2001 04:35									#24
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Hey give Mark and Dan a break will ya! It must be heartbreaking for them to have the site keep going down at a time like this!

And you don't know what their circumstances are finance wise etc.

Mark, Dan thanks for all the effort you put in to make this my favorite site on the internet. Anything I can do to help, just let old horsie know

	08-11-2001 04:45									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Victor Galis what time did the OT get opened this morning? I went to sleep at like 3am with no OT up

again last night... I opened it last night at 10:30 mp central time, it was up and running when I woke up?

	08-11-2001 06:19									#26
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Are you sure that wasn't the day before?

Eh, I could be wrong.

	08-11-2001 07:20									#27
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<I>Just because you can't predict things scientifically is no reason not to plan</I>

We have crossed the fine line from constructive criticisms, and even criticisms in themselves, to insinuations in my opinion and I will not debate or argue on these terms. Why? Because I do not feel that one can come to a mutual resolution under these conditions. If I come across as being a bit terse in my comments to follow it's not because I do not value input or that I wish to ignore it, but rather a combination of other factors. First, it's been a very stressful month thus far on matters not related to Apolyton and I won't go into details as we all have stresses and crosses to bear be they fair or unfair. Second, and more to the point, I am getting tired of having to defend myself and Apolyton's position over and over again when I, Markos or someone else on staff have already addressed it especially in recent days.

I never said that we did not have a plan -- I am certain I have made this clear before. We have always had a plan and we continue to have one now -- if we didn't, measures that we have implemented that have been spelled out in forum announcements, forum threads and the "About" section of our website would have either not surfaced or not surfaced as quickly as they did. What I am getting at is that no plan can attest for every possible contingency <U>or</U> to the extent to which a contingency may come into play. Now that we are aware of the present situation... and again, I am re-stating what I have said before here... we are working with the appropriate parties to try and address them.

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	08-11-2001 08:38									#28
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Dan, I wish you the best. Good luck with RL, man. Study hard, have fun, etc.

*Gives DQ a hug*

	09-11-2001 00:33									#29
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Dan, I think that alot of the frustration being thrown your way stems from a lack of communication on the part of the administration. The measures taken thus far are little more than stop gaps in a problem that will likely get worse as Civ3 gets released in more countries. I think if someone would just tell us what is being done to increase the amount of traffic Apolyton can handle on a more permanent basis most of the people complaining/annoying you would cease.

	09-11-2001 20:25									#30
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