07-11-2001 03:14									#1
	SMAX Question: How does Morgan pop-boom? Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

I don't have SMAX, so in my SMAC games Morgan can't pop-boom early bc he can't get Planned. I've read a number of threads about how Morgan can't pop boom, and that brings up three questions:

Is he still prevented from doing it if he goes CC/Dem/Eudamonia (or whichever Future Soc gives +2 gth)

How does SMAX solve this?

Would "Penalty Planned" be a fair solution, replacing his inability to use Planned? What about +1 Growth?

	07-11-2001 04:11									#2
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quote: Originally posted by wheathin Is he still prevented from doing it if he goes CC/Dem/Eudamonia (or whichever Future Soc gives +2 gth)

this will do it. However Eudamonia usually comes too late for the pop bomming to be most useful. In a single player game the Human will likely have the cloning vats by then; in multiplayer , you would be plaing catch up by that time.

quote: How does SMAX solve this?

In smax the growth bonus from golden age works properly, and morgan can pop boom with CC/DEMO/Golden age.

	07-11-2001 23:17									#3
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I guess the part I was missing was that there is *supposed* to be a Growth bonus in Golden Ages (as per the Datalinks) but that it does not exist in SMAC. (is this correct?) Thus, most factions need CC/Dem/Plan to get to +6, although technically that should be +7.

As for my solution, I find that "PENALTY, PLANNED" added to Morgan's faction is a fair solution. It gives him a -4 Efficiency penalty if he uses Planned economics, or a -2 when combined with Democracy. The result is that he can pop-boom, but he takes a big hit to do it, and the efficiency penalties can make it more difficult ot sustain the Golden Ages.

	08-11-2001 02:06									#4
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quote: Originally posted by wheathin Thus, most factions need CC/Dem/Plan to get to +6, although technically that should be +7.

technically +7? explain.

	08-11-2001 05:01									#5
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Didn't the SMAC Golden Age thing get fixed in Patch 4.0?

	08-11-2001 05:14									#6
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Fitz, I am pretty sure that it never got fixed on the PC platform. Adding to the confusion, it appears that those who own a Mac do have the fix in vanilla SMAC.

	08-11-2001 07:38									#7
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quote: Originally posted by wheathin Thus, most factions need CC/Dem/Plan to get to +6, although technically that should be +7.

Too clearify:

CC gives +2 in growth
Demo +2
Plan +2
GA +2
Eudo +2

to pop-boom you need +6 (or CV)

the easiest way to pop boom is CC/Demo/Plan

so only three out of the five is needed. Morgan can't go plan (therefor can't pop-boom the easy way) the same goes for Hive (can't go Demo). In SMACX both Pirates and Cyborgs have -1 in growth meaning that they need 4 of the growth bonus thnigs to pop-boom or CV.

-knowhow2

	09-11-2001 21:01									#8
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	16-11-2001 02:59									#9
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Pop boom with Golden Age got fixed in SMACX v2 patch.
It never got fixed in SMAC Classic.

Thus in SMACX you can pop boom Morgan with a golden age, in SMAC you can't.