11-11-2001 11:08									#1
	All complainers stop posting here and go back to civ2 Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

If you don't have something constructive to say, how about not saying it.

These forums are very cluttered with whiners.

Example: this game is broken!!

this thread is worthless. Yes they point out the bugs in the game. But there is no organized attempt at suggestions to correct these problems.

We need to get organized to get these bugs fixed. Not just thread after thread of b!tching.

If you don't like the game play civ2, or make an effort to let Firaxis know in a CONSTRUCTIVE way the problems with the game and suggested fixes.

Until some of whiners leave this forum, I won't be here. I'll go back to the civ2 boards where people talked about the game in a mature way. Not like a bunch of 13 year old kids who didn't get their way.

	11-11-2001 11:36									#2
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Typically one expects the game programmers to come up with suggestions for fixes (and then fix the bugs)

Hence us paying them

as the consumer our sole job is to buy the game and "*****" as you put it, or rave, depending on whether we like it or not.

You have as much right to complain about people *****ing as one who would complain about everyone saying "OH I LOVE THE GAME ITS SO GREAT"



Quit being a forum nanny

	11-11-2001 11:51									#3
	Re: All complainers stop posting here and go back to civ2 Support Apolyton

quote: Originally posted by Dissident If you don't like the game play civ2, or make an effort to let Firaxis know in a CONSTRUCTIVE way the problems with the game and suggested fixes. Until some of whiners leave this forum, I won't be here. I'll go back to the civ2 boards where people talked about the game in a mature way. Not like a bunch of 13 year old kids who didn't get their way.

I'm not a programmer, nor is it my job to tell Firaxis to fix the game that obviously needs some work. I paid $60 for a game that they themselves promised would be revoloutionary. I expect them to live up to that promise. I expect them to come up with ways to fix the problems that so many are complaining about. If you don't like what you're seeing on the forum how about YOU go and play Civ and don't ever come back here; don't ever download a patch, unless you can write your own of course.

	11-11-2001 11:56									#4
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Constructive criticism includes pointing out all of the flat out faults and inadequacies this game is plagued with (perhaps in hopes of influencing a patch? What a f*cking concept!). We're not here to program solutions. Nor are we asking the I LOVE IT I LOVE IT crowd to be quiet or leave, so grow up, champ

	11-11-2001 12:03									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident Until some of whiners leave this forum, I won't be here. I'll go back to the civ2 boards where people talked about the game in a mature way. Not like a bunch of 13 year old kids who didn't get their way.

BWAHAHAHAHA oh please show us the way to behave whilst debating a computer game, wise shaman. How truly spiritual you are! Now off to preform a rain dance, followed by an incense inspired metaphysical brainstorm of civ3 solutions. ~OOHHHMMM this is such a profound idea for a thread OOHHHMMM~

How immature I am... Oh my

	11-11-2001 12:04									#6
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"Typically one expects the game programmers to come up with suggestions for fixes (and then fix the bugs)

Hence us paying them"

-That's a cynical view. Ideally the programmers program what the people want.

"You have as much right to complain about people *****ing as one who would complain about everyone saying "OH I LOVE THE GAME ITS SO GREAT""

-Do it elsewhere, you're wasting our bandwidth.

"If you don't like what you're seeing on the forum how about YOU go and play Civ and don't ever come back here;"

-I believe you are mistaken here. We were here first, we not need more whiners to eat up what little bandwidth is left after the release of civ3. If you really want to whine, go whine to Firaxis. Stop cluttering these forums.

"(perhaps in hopes of influencing a patch? What a f*cking concept!)."

-Which might work if this were an official civ3 forum, which it really isn't.

	11-11-2001 12:11									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Victor Galis -I believe you are mistaken here. We were here first, we not need more whiners to eat up what little bandwidth is left after the release of civ3. If you really want to whine, go whine to Firaxis. Stop cluttering these forums.

AHAHAHAHAHA You were here first?!?!? Brilliant and equally mature statement. Since you were here first you get "first dibs" on bandwith use. Speaking of which, a lot of us were "here first" with you b*tching and complaining about what should be implemented in the game - a lot of it was!

No, you're right - YOU WERE HEaR FIRST DAR DAR THIS MY SANDBOX NOT YOURZ 2 PLAY IN!

Honestly, it's not even a challenge with some of these self contradicting morons.

	11-11-2001 12:15									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Victor Galis "(perhaps in hopes of influencing a patch? What a f*cking concept!)." -Which might work if this were an official civ3 forum, which it really isn't.

Hey MISTAR WE H3RE FIRST - I've never seen any firaxis members cruising these forums asking for opinions and ideas, have you? Again, you have proved yourself unquestionably right!

Edit: I love how these words he spoke:

"-That's a cynical view. Ideally the programmers program what the people want."

Compare so nicely to the above. Tehehehe well now that I've cruelly boosted my own self-esteem beating up on a retard, it's time to go to bed. Sweet dreams!

	11-11-2001 12:20									#9
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Excuse me?

quote: Do it elsewhere, you're wasting our bandwidth.

Whose bandwith? This is a community forum, open to anyone who plays Civilization III. More specifically this is the General Discussion, which means anything in general.

This is not the "Civilization III love fest no whinners allowed" board. This is not YOUR site. This is OUR site, including myself, and any possible whinner.

First let me state, I have not whinned. But by god if I wanted to, I will and have every right to suck up "your" bandwith doing so.

And until I break a forum guideline and am banned I will continue to have every right to waste "your" bandwith as you have a right to waste "my" bandwith. (since after all this is "our" forum)

quote: I believe you are mistaken here. We were here first,

Once again who is this magical "we"? Is there a cut off date for the secret club? Do you have to have visited this forum since before March of 2000 in order to be a memeber of this ultra exclusive club on the Apolyton forum which obviously has controlling rights over the bandwith (being "their" bandwith and all)

My gosh, arent we just the pompous arrogant ass tonight?

	11-11-2001 12:31									#10
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Let see which is more constructive:

Pointing out that combat was better in Civ2 and they took a step backwards....

or

Starting a thread calling all the people you disagree with whiners.....

Hmmm, thats a tough one.



PS: Im only criticizing combat in civ3 (and the editor, but they've said that'll get fixed). The rest is definately better than any civ game to date, especially the AI.

	11-11-2001 13:58									#11
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I will not repeat here why I LIKE the game but I will wait for a Final Mp Scenario Gold Patched Edition (if you DO want to know why, ask me or look for my posts ) I just want to say that I play SMAX
I do not know if I am a "whiner" in your opinion, or if I was cheated into becoming one thanks to the late release in Europe... I had plenty of time to make me up a "sitting on the edge" opinion.

	11-11-2001 14:35									#12
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"All complainers stop posting here and go back to civ2."

Dissident, I'm glad you have decided to join the ranks of us reactionaries, but baby you've got to get yourself a new handle!

	11-11-2001 14:55									#13
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hahaha, sikander, good to know that for once we are in the same camp
btw, honest abe is quite a pain in the game. he just would not stop declaring wars on me. too bad he is not around anymore

	11-11-2001 20:15									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Victor Galis "If you don't like what you're seeing on the forum how about YOU go and play Civ and don't ever come back here;" -I believe you are mistaken here. We were here first, we not need more whiners to eat up what little bandwidth is left after the release of civ3. If you really want to whine, go whine to Firaxis. Stop cluttering these forums.

What do you mean you were here FIRST???

Just because I never registered and bothered to post until recently doesn't give you anymore right to suggest what to post on these forums than anyone else; you my friend are the one whose mistaken!

And STOP whinning about your pages not loading fast enough; buy some web space and start your own forum if you think you are all that!(which your NOT )

	12-11-2001 05:23									#15
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I'd just like to bump this thread to remind everyone of how pathetically the "go back to civ2" argument has crashed and burned.

Oh gee. Where has Victor Galise gone?? Come out to play Vici!

	12-11-2001 05:25									#16
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I think its time for the pic to come out:

	12-11-2001 05:34									#17
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

I appreciate both the "whiners" and the "we love civ3ers". I haven't bought the game yet and my decision hinges on what is said and is not said in these forums. Feel free to ignore the those who "whine" about the bandwidth as there are many more like me who are lurking the boards in an attempt to discern the facts from the fiction surrounding Civ3. Thanks.

	12-11-2001 05:38									#18
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quote: Originally posted by WhiteElephants I haven't bought the game yet and my decision hinges on what is said and is not said in these forums.

Buy it at a place that accepts returns. Worked for me. And who knows, you may like it.

	12-11-2001 06:03									#19
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Thanks for the advice, but I'm going to hold off a bit regardless. I don't expect this game to be worthy of purchase until the second of third patch, unless by some stroke of genius they do a bang up job on the first patch -- I'll just have to wait for the consensus on that one -- otherwise I'm just teasing myself with a potentially good (great?) game.

	12-11-2001 10:44									#20
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lol, I only created this thread for the reactions.

but anyways, I find it interesting people complain so much about a game and say civ2 is better. Logically, if civ2 is a better game, then why not play civ2?

And by suggestions I'm not talking about writing code. We all know the combat system in civ3 is kind of weak. How about suggested fixes such as firepower. I can't explain why they took that out. I guess they wanted to make things simpler for the novice player. Nothing simpler than seeing your tank destroyed by a spearman

and what is wrong with my handle? I've changed it too many times already. I really don't want to do it again.

and I admit I'm b!tching about the b!tchers . It takes a long time to wade through all these threads

	12-11-2001 11:29									#21
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No one is saying civ2 is flat out better than civ3, just that a lot of aspects of civ2 are (ie firepower)

	12-11-2001 11:36									#22
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Just what this forum needed, another trolling thread.

	12-11-2001 11:36									#23
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I saw a post from a Firaxis programmer saying that the firepower thing was a complicated waste that didn't really do much to the units in the end. He's definately the expert compared to me, but I think it sure made a difference.

-JD

	12-11-2001 11:42									#24
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firepower didn't do much? How can he say that. Maybe then they should have boosted attack ratings of some units then. We can do that ourselves of course. But I still miss the rules.txt .


bring back firepower dammit!!. put a firepower of 1 on a cruise missile in civ2 for an example. Cruise missles from an ai usually hurt me bad. But when you give it a fp of 1 this is not the case. This is the best example I can think of. Another example is artillery and tanks in civ2- both have attack ratings of 10. tanks have a fp of 1 where artillery has a fp of 2. I did not notice much difference until I played ww2 scenarios in the add-ons such as east wind, (or whatever it was called ). Artillery was more effective at city busting than tanks.

	12-11-2001 16:36									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident We all know the combat system in civ3 is kind of weak. How about suggested fixes such as firepower. I can't explain why they took that out. I admit I'm b!tching about the b!tchers

I'd say that you have actually joined us.

	28-11-2001 07:48									#26
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quote: Originally posted by GNGSpam Excuse me? Whose bandwith? This is a community forum, open to anyone who plays Civilization III. More specifically this is the General Discussion, which means anything in general. This is not the "Civilization III love fest no whinners allowed" board. This is not YOUR site. This is OUR site, including myself, and any possible whinner.

Just to remind you, this forum belongs to Markos and Dan, it is open to anyone they hand a password to, whom they dont choose to ban You want abstract discussions of who "owns" a public forum, go to USENET. This aint no public forum.

LOTM

	28-11-2001 08:23									#27
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Hey dissident, I didn't read your article (without losing respect, jst saw many) but just this:

Or you're for evolution and propose ways of making something better, or you may just say "oh, it's better than the last one" and stick to this. Personnally, I'll always try to make something better if it's not perfect.