12-11-2001 02:26									#1
	Civ3 + WinXP = horrible? Increase Your PM Length

I recently went from Win2k to XP, after a format of my boot partition. Civ3 now runs like dirt!!! The difference is unbelievable. Actually, it's now unplayable IMO. Ir went from fast and smooth to slow and unresponsive. It seems like the gfx aren't being rendered quickly anymore.

I have a monster rig:
P4 1.7
384 RAM
GF3 (using 21.83 official drivers)
SB Live
All latest non-beta drivers

I consider myself extremely knowledgable about tweaking and configuring systems. I noticed improvments in other games, but Civ3 is horrifying slow. Map redraw is terrible and input response is 10x slower.

Anyone have any ideas? So far, I'm not thrilled with XP and I'll most likely go to Win98SE soon.

	12-11-2001 02:31									#2
	Tired of ads?

I've seen on these forums references to the latest drivers for the nVidia cards causing slowdown problems. You could try back-dating your drivers, either to the ones that came with the card or to the WinXP ones if the ones you have are indeed the latest. I have a GeForce 2 and for this reason am not updating drivers atm. I believe nVidia is working on an update to fix this issue.

	12-11-2001 02:32									#3
	Re: Civ3 + WinXP = horrible? Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

quote: Originally posted by z0dd I recently went from Win2k to XP, after a format of my boot partition. Civ3 now runs like dirt!!! The difference is unbelievable. Actually, it's now unplayable IMO. Ir went from fast and smooth to slow and unresponsive. It seems like the gfx aren't being rendered quickly anymore. I have a monster rig: P4 1.7 384 RAM GF3 (using 21.83 official drivers) SB Live All latest non-beta drivers I consider myself extremely knowledgable about tweaking and configuring systems. I noticed improvments in other games, but Civ3 is horrifying slow. Map redraw is terrible and input response is 10x slower. Anyone have any ideas? So far, I'm not thrilled with XP and I'll most likely go to Win98SE soon.

Roll back your detonator drivers. This is a known problem with nVidia cards running under 2000 or XP with the latest Detonator installed.

Dan

	12-11-2001 02:42									#4
	Put an end to popups!

Yay! I posted an identical solution to Dan's one minute earlier! I'm so happy

	12-11-2001 04:42									#5
	Increase the size of your Attachments

Dont understand that, ive got a pentium 4 1.5 gig 384 megs of ram and a geforce 2 and my game flies with tremendous speed and no slowdown. Is your computer have a pentium processer or some cheap parts, that may be the problem. Only use intel and microsoft stuff trust me.

	12-11-2001 04:43									#6
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

Im using win xp too sorry forgot to post that.

	12-11-2001 05:22									#7
	Increase the size of your Attachments

Win2k is fairly solid and stripped down. It is an engine to run programs. XP is home user bloatware. You should have known better, my friend!

	12-11-2001 05:30									#8
	If it ain't broke... Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

Hmmm... maybe that's why I fear change...

I have Win98SE, and you can take it from me when you pry it from my cold dead fingers.

I have tried WinMe, Win2K, WinXP... each time I try a new OS, I find out it has compatability problem this, driver problem that...

Each time I go back to the "problem free" Win98SE... then I start chuckling to myself everytime I hear someone has a problem with Win2K, WinMe, or WinXP.

Every game, every driver I've ever used has had no problem with Win98SE... sure, it crashes every so often, but heck, I NEVER have compatability problems with ANY game.

I'm primarily a gamer, so compatability is my thing... despite promises of the moon, no Operating System since Win98SE has been as compatable as Bill Gates has promised, and YES THAT INCLUDES XP (Maddona's song doesn't convince me it's better either).

Okay, so I'm rambling nothing very meaningful... maybe I'm like that stone-age guy who says "I fear pants... I will continue wearing bushes".

	12-11-2001 23:51									#9
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

What version of the det drivers are you guys using in XP to make Civ3 smooth? Number please.

I'm using 21.83 now and it's VERY slow.

	12-11-2001 23:56									#10
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

quote: Originally posted by squid Win2k is fairly solid and stripped down. It is an engine to run programs. XP is home user bloatware. You should have known better, my friend!

Just so you know, chief, the problem also happens in Windows 2000.
It's Nvidia's latest NT drivers that have the problem, it's not XP's fault.

Take your propaganda elsewhere.

	12-11-2001 23:57									#11
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

quote: Originally posted by z0dd What version of the det drivers are you guys using in XP to make Civ3 smooth? Number please. I'm using 21.83 now and it's VERY slow.

Use the ones on the Windows XP CD.
I'm using 12.41, works perfectly fine.
I had 21.83 on my GeForce 3 and it ran like crap, and it's fine now with the 12.41s.