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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:16
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Originally posted by Wiglaf
original games aren't very well recieved in the videogame industry, but sad ports and sequels sell millions of copies. that was my original argument, wasn't it? |
So what you're saying is you want rehashed games until the end of time?
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no, and the only noticable developer I found out of the sports sector was Ubi Soft. |
Well, you obviously don't play many games then.
Small companies like Electronic Arts (only the largest and arguably best sports game maker out there) are hard to miss...
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sorry to dissapoint you ash, but if you haven't realized it already, I don't piss away money.  |
Sorry, don't you own a Mac? 
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they should have speakers, a keyboard, a monitor, and a mouse too. |
For console gaming? Hah.
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1) better control
2) more input options
3) improved sound
4) better image quality.
5) etc, etc. |
How does a monitor give you a better image quality? The Xbox outputs to 1920x1080 as a maximum, that's better than many monitors out there.
Better control? For console games, give me a controller over a mouse or keyboard any day.
Improved sound?! How do you figure?! I'd rather have the sound go through my Pioneer audio receiver & 620 watt 5.1 Nuance speakers than through 10-watt PC speakers.
Keyboards and mice generally aren't useful for console games. It's a different game market than a PC is.
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Wraith
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Austin, Texas, USA
Aug 1999
time: 23:16
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--"You should go in and look at the Slashdot thread"
Asher, the kiosk machine stories is secondary to my point. My primary source of information on this is a group of people programming the things. I think they've got better information than you do on the subject.
--"hat because companies beta test their games before shipping you got a bunch of experience with the controller?"
That I've spoken with those who have. This isn't a sweeping leap of logic or anything. Then again, we all know whatever cognitive funcitons you have shut down in the presence of any story involving Microsoft.
Like I said before, I don't game enough to buy new consoles, so this is pretty much a moot argument. Even if I were, my taste runs towards RPGs, so I'd be getting the PSX2. You've already admitted that the X-Box is weak in this area. I have not seen any game planned on the X-Box that interests me except the new Oddworld. Halo did, but then I got to hear about it from people who have actually played it. Two games isn't anywhere near enough to base a console purchase on.
Wraith
No one can think more highly of your understanding than I do. In my opinion, nature has given you so much that you never find it necessary to use more than half.
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Asher
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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:16
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http://www.thegia.com/news/0010/n18a.html
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[10.18.00] ŧ Final Fantasy XI and PlayOnline service Xbox-bound.
IT Pro, a technology subsidiary of the Nihon Keizai Shimbun, is reporting that Square has confirmed they are developing Final Fantasy XI for the Xbox. According to the Nikkei's sources, Final Fantasy X will remain a PS2 exclusive, but Final Fantasy XI and the PlayOnline service will be coming to Xbox sometime in summer 2001. The Xbox versions of Final Fantasy XI and PlayOnline will be cross-compatible with the PS2 versions. Final Fantasy XI is already in development for the Xbox on Microsoft's XDKs. Square got the XDKs this summer, but had some difficulty with them, as the hardware was not yet finalized and the documentation was entirely in English. Both problems have been resolved, however, and Square is advancing with development.
Naoto Yoshioka, an Advanced Technology Group Manager at Microsoft, said "I can't confirm or deny anything right now, but getting killer content like FF is Microsoft's major goal right now. Nothing would make us happier right now than Square announcing an Xbox version (of FF)."
A spokesman for Square said "We have not made any official statements about entering the Xbox field. We cannot comment about the release of an Xbox FF."
More details about Square's Xbox involvement are sure to be released soon. Thanks to Kevin Gifford of Video Senki for translation assistance. |
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Wiglaf
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Cambridge
Dec 2000
time: 23:16
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So what you're saying is you want rehashed games until the end of time? |
what are you talking about? 
I'm saying console gaming shits because original titles, especially on systems like dreamcast, were shot down by the market in favor of boring sequels and marketing garbage. I'm sure PC games and art and music or whatever have the flaw to some extent, but in the videogame industry it's painfully obvious.
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Well, you obviously don't play many games then.
Small companies like Electronic Arts (only the largest and arguably best sports game maker out there) are hard to miss... |
actually EA has gone down the crapper recently with its football and basketball franchises. the only thing it has is hockey, and a few movie rights here and there...
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Sorry, don't you own a Mac? |
yeah, but it was a gift from a neighbor who runs a computer shop nearby. 
in any event, you know as well as I do that's a separate issue that's being argued in another thread - keep the mac/pc stuff there...
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For console gaming? Hah. |
you've already got a hard drive. 
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How does a monitor give you a better image quality? The Xbox outputs to 1920x1080 as a maximum, that's better than many monitors out there.
Better control? For console games, give me a controller over a mouse or keyboard any day.
Improved sound?! How do you figure?! I'd rather have the sound go through my Pioneer audio receiver & 620 watt 5.1 Nuance speakers than through 10-watt PC speakers.
Keyboards and mice generally aren't useful for console games. It's a different game market than a PC is. |
first off, not everyone has that kind of setup. I sure as hell don't.
secondly, give me a cheap $15-25 memory card any day over that built in waste of money (it doesn't come free, I'm assuming). I'm paying for a hard drive I don't need, and the 8GB storage space is hard to judge anyway. (how much room does a saved xbox game take up?)
also, just out of curiosity, is xbox internet access available on launch? and isn't it broadband exclusive?
really, why there's a hard drive on the thing is beyond me. 
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Asher
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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:16
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Originally posted by Wiglaf
what are you talking about?
I'm saying console gaming shits because original titles, especially on systems like dreamcast, were shot down by the market in favor of boring sequels and marketing garbage. I'm sure PC games and art and music or whatever have the flaw to some extent, but in the videogame industry it's painfully obvious. |
The exact same is happening in the PC market. Wake up.
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actually EA has gone down the crapper recently with its football and basketball franchises. the only thing it has is hockey, and a few movie rights here and there... |
And F1, FIFA, etc.
Once again you prove you know just about nothing of the genre.
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you've already got a hard drive. |
Yeah, which is USEFUL for console gaming. You act like you can use the HD to store your Word documents or something. You can't.
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first off, not everyone has that kind of setup. I sure as hell don't.
secondly, give me a cheap $15-25 memory card any day over that built in waste of money (it doesn't come free, I'm assuming). I'm paying for a hard drive I don't need, and the 8GB storage space is hard to judge anyway. (how much room does a saved xbox game take up?) |
Actually, Microsoft pretty much picks up the cost for it. It's the same price as ths PS2, but its cost is higher.
That's why MS loses so much on each console.
And, btw, you can buy memory cards for Xbox too.
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also, just out of curiosity, is xbox internet access available on launch? and isn't it broadband exclusive? |
No, it hooks up to any ethernet jack.
I can plug it into my Switched Hub and use @Home to access the internet on it.
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really, why there's a hard drive on the thing is beyond me. |
Somehow that doesn't surprise me. Logic is a tad hard for you to grasp.
But you should ***** at Nintendo about that, then. It was their idea years ago, and they released the N64 hard drive in Japan.
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Anyway, I bit the bullet and bought an Xbox today.
I played it for about 4 hours so far, and let me just say: It definitely kicks some ass.
It came with Halo and Dead or Alive 3. Halo is better than DOA3, IMO. Very very addictive!
Both games look simply incredibly in 1080i! No jaggies ANYWHERE, beautiful and not choppy at all.
I enabled Dolby Digital 5.1 in Halo, and it was quite the experience. Walking down in the carverns you can hear echos in positional surround sound, gunfire in surround sound, the subwoofer kicking up when you drive the little car around.
As for the controller: What the hell is wrong with it?
It feels natural to hold it, I can easily use all of the buttons without feeling awkward, and you can turn off the rumbling in the options. I didn't get ANY feeling of "Nintendo Thumb" that I got when using the PS1/PS2/N64 controllers. Maybe I would have to play longer to find out, but it seems downright awesome.
Mark me down for a glowing Xbox review. 
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Asher
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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:16
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Originally posted by Wiglaf
black and white sold well, as did civ, etc. |
Which Civ? Civ1, Civ2, Civ2: MGE, Civ2: TOT, CTP1, CTP2, SMAC, or Civ3?
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how much space does a save game take up? |
I don't know, it doesn't let me view with Windows Explorer.
Space is measured in 'blocks'. The Xbox has 50,000 'blocks' of space. I haven't checked how much a saved game uses.
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you won't be able to download demos on the thing or whatever. it's vaporware at the moment that will take far too long to implement. dreamcast had all kinds of things it wanted to put in since launch (vmu games, downloadable patches, etc) that never fully made the cut even two years after release. |
Erm...maybe that's because Sega doesn't support the Dreamcast anymore? The thing tanked.
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glad to see you got it today, but I'm looking for something a little more in depth from such an MS zealot. |
I'm not a MS Zealot. I look at things from all perspective, it's just that most of the others are invalid.
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Asher
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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:16
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Originally posted by November Adam
$599! wow, I looked into pricing and it's $649 (2 games + extra controller) at EB, but they are sold out for 2 weeks or so. How was Futureshops stock?
So a question about the controller... I took a peek at one in EB and the buttons seemed kinda close... what do you think?
Well happy gaming. |
Futureshop still had quite a few left when I got it at 4:00 yesterday. More are coming in within days. So much for those shortage rumors.
I'll admit, the Xbox controller is pretty ugly. But the thing is very comfortable, fits in my hands perfectly, and doesn't give me nintendo thumb. The buttons are positioned so they can easily be reached without awkward movements from the average player. For that reason, I think they are a tad close. But once you get the hang of things and know where the buttons all are, it's just a matter of remembering which one to press.
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I heard that microsoft is already working on Xbox2
well if this is true then xbox will be "one-year'o'console" |
Actually, the 'HomeStation' you're talking about was shot down as a hoax a while ago.
But...now that you bring it up, there was just yesterday and article on how the Xbox is forcing Sony to fasttrack the PS3.
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Wraith
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Austin, Texas, USA
Aug 1999
time: 23:16
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--"Again, "your friends" tell you this. Who can you direct me to?"
You seem to be missing something. I don't really give a damn about convincing you of anything. I know that's futile when Microsoft is involved. I'm just presenting some information for the other people considering one of these things. How seriously they take it is up to them.
Your comment about the courts is rather a non sequitur, by the way. This is an example of that whole "context dropping" thing of yours that I hate.
--"can't port it over to the other consoles as there is no hard drive."
Don't know about the GameCube, but there is a hard-drive add-on for the PSX2.
--"That's why MS loses so much on each console."
And why it may be worth considering one of the things to hack when the Linux nForce drivers come out. It might make a decent, small, Microsoft subsidiesed web server.
--"Both games look simply incredibly in 1080i"
Got an HDTV, do you? OOC, what make/model?
--"I'm not a MS Zealot."
Do I even need to say anything at this point?
--"Futureshop still had quite a few left when I got it at 4:00 yesterday. More are coming in within days. So much for those shortage rumors."
I admit, this is interesting. I wonder how wide-spread this is. I should have checked how many they had at Toys R Us while I was looking for Gundam toys. A quick glance did reveal quite a few left this morning. Apparently Microsoft way over-estimated demand for this thing. Ought to be interesting to see how the pricing goes between now and Christmas.
Given how close to a standard PC architecture this thing is, I suspect they will be highly hacked.
Wraith
"Trying to explain his technological approach to divisive issues, Al Gore has to delay a telephone interview twice because of problems with his cell phone."
-- Wall Street Journal
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Wiglaf
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Cambridge
Dec 2000
time: 23:16
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I don't know, it doesn't let me view with Windows Explorer.
Space is measured in 'blocks'. The Xbox has 50,000 'blocks' of space. I haven't checked how much a saved game uses. |
get off your ass and save a game, it can't be that hard.
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Erm...maybe that's because Sega doesn't support the Dreamcast anymore? The thing tanked. |
it didn't tank on release, when people were all hopeful about potential features after one of the most successful launches in videogame history. an online console really brought with it a lot of what-ifs. after six or seven months, though, it became apparant that that wasn't going to happen. ambitious consoles never have things work out - having downloadable demos is VERY much a far off feature for the xbox, considering it wouldn't take effect any time soon, and by the time it does - if ever, since I'm sure developers wouldn't like the idea, or have the capabilities to make it happen - it'll be far too late for anyone to care.
the xbox, to a certain extent, has failed the same way the dreamcast did in terms of online networking: hype, but nothing to back it up. you'll probably start to see real, downloadable demos in the next wave of consoles, or maybe even after that. personally, since gamecube and xbox seem too "more of the same", I'm avoiding them completely - they offer only hope, but no solid innovation. I'm not going to smack down $400 because there might be some cool online downloads two years down the line.
all this interest in two boxes with poor rehashed games and nothing new. it's all marketing. 
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I'm not a MS Zealot. I look at things from all perspective, it's just that most of the others are invalid. |
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Korpo
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Ortenburg, Bavaria, Germany
Aug 1999
time: 06:16
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Well, Xbox is the 1st console I ever heard about, that crashed. It displays a Windows 2000 then... This pile of crap is carrying around all unnecessary **** from Win2000 for no good reason. If you compare PS/PS2, which Sony is making good money with, Xbox, with which Microsoft is losing money with evry one sold, I guess Sony will make the race.
Besides, I donīt support monopolists any more than I need to.
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Asher
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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:16
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Originally posted by Wraith
Got an HDTV, do you? OOC, what make/model? |
Sony WEGA XBR 36"
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I admit, this is interesting. I wonder how wide-spread this is. I should have checked how many they had at Toys R Us while I was looking for Gundam toys. A quick glance did reveal quite a few left this morning. Apparently Microsoft way over-estimated demand for this thing. Ought to be interesting to see how the pricing goes between now and Christmas.
Given how close to a standard PC architecture this thing is, I suspect they will be highly hacked. |
Wrong: Microsoft did not overestimate.
They said from the very beginning it was their intention to overproduce initially to avoid the stupidity surrounding the PS2 launch. MS didn't want to spend half a billion dollars advertising only to send customers to the store, find out they don't have Xboxes..but hey, here's a gamecube. They intentionally did that, and it's not a bad idea.
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get off your ass and save a game, it can't be that hard. |
Well, Wiglaf, it is actually hard. I've got a bunch of things on there (I ripped several CDs and replace in-game soundtracks with them). All of that takes HD space up.
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yeah yeah yeah!!!!!
1. xbox is not realesed yet! [or maybe just a little]
2. micro$oft talks about xbox2 in the next year!
3. sony is working on ps3 but ps2 is realesed for 2 years!
so this iXibox yuck , i will not buy a console to play one year becouse they want to realese a new F****N console!
besides the best console is on Linux |
Why does it not surprise me that you're a Linux zealot?
1. Xbox is released, fully, in North America
2. Microsoft is NOT talking about the XBOX2 next year, that's a complete and utter lie
3. Sony's CEO said the other day that the PS3 is aimed for possible release in Christmas 2002 (read: next year). They said the Xbox is forcing them to reduce the console lifecycle from the 5 years to a shorter timespan. You're getting your companies confused here...
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Well, Xbox is the 1st console I ever heard about, that crashed. It displays a Windows 2000 then... This pile of crap is carrying around all unnecessary **** from Win2000 for no good reason. If you compare PS/PS2, which Sony is making good money with, Xbox, with which Microsoft is losing money with evry one sold, I guess Sony will make the race.
Besides, I donīt support monopolists any more than I need to. |
Once again we are blessed with intelligent conversation from the Linux zealots. Joy. 
I've never once had Xbox crash on me, nor has anyone else I know with it. The only crashes I've heard about are from the ones in the air-locked displays that run 24/7 with little to no air circulation. But then again, ALL consoles crashed in that form. PS2, Gamecube, and Dreamcast, etc. But instead of displaying the error, those ones simply freeze up.
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All I have to say is computers are so much better for games... asher, I got a 4 set speaker system with subwoofer so I don't have to worry about the sound. |
I've also got a 4.1 digital sound system for my computer.
Computers and consoles are good for different kinds of games. It's much more fun to sit down with your buddies and play a game of Halo/Dead or Alive 3 than it is and play a game like Civilization III. However, I find both genres very good, but for different types of games.
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