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Great work, ancient. I admit not having installed your patch so far, but it looks very good to me. I am modding the game myself, although I intend to only add a few more governments. And actually, Constitutional Monarchy and Socialist Democracies sound rather good to me, and if you don't mind I will use them for myself, putting CM stat-wise between Democracy and Monarchy, and SD somewhere between Democracy and Communism.
Making CM available with Education sounds fine to me. However, I think Gunpowder would make a similarly good prerequisite. After all, the aristocracy's demise began when commoners armed with muskets were able to pick off well trained and noble knights during battle. A development that led to Japan outlawing fire weapons, as the warrior aristocrats saw their status attacked. On the other hand, this makes the Gunpowder advance even more powerful than it already is. If it were easier to add new techs, CM should be researchable after getting Gunpowder and Education, methinks. Ah, well, can't have it all.
Never mind, I was just thinking aloud. I mean a-typing. 
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ancient
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Life Goes On
May 2001
time: 00:16
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umm a caravel sunk your battleship?
whats the odds of that happening?
well if you were attaking and the were both on the same level it would'nt be to likely, nor would ity be when your attacking,
pretty much what you said makes no sense.
i think you should update to the newest one
Sytas, i think you should wait untill we get an official patch before doing any modding
which is why im going to wait for them to rellease one before i do the next version.
Last edited by ancient on 29-11-2001 at 02:51
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Desert Dog
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3rd Rock from the sun
Nov 2001
time: 21:16
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Okay I will admit that I did not read up on the Privateer. It makes no sense why there should be a unit like this for any purpose other than to depict the Pirate ships of old.
Have you ever played the "real" civ 2 sequel? (in my opinion anyways) Alpha Centauri or better yet Alien Crossfire is what I am talking about. The combat, the diplomacy should have been looked at to make civ 3 a TRUE sequel. In SMAC I have an option in diplomacy screen to ask another civ to stop the war with your friend. I asked this question to see if anyone else is looking at the things I am.
By the way, why are you calling this a patch?  I appreicate your efforts at making a mod. We will always need mods, but this is not even close to a patch, no offense! What your mod does is not clear at all to me yet. I mean the game is still horribly un balanced even with your mod.
By the way, I am not a new person playing I know how a battle should go I am not a kid! My battleship was a Vet. fighter, the carvel was at the most a regular. It attacked me and I had just a little red left. That is the big gripe with civ 3 is the totally unbalanced combat.
One last comment Civ 3 is a far cry from a TRUE sequel to civ 2. It should have been called Call To Power 3. It has more of that game then civ 2. I am REALLY hoping that old Sid see's what he did wrong and corrects it, but I doubt it! Everyone rating this game super high has not tried to play a full game. It is riddled with TRUE BUGS like the ones I spoke of. Diplomacy the way it is totally sucks.
Hey I know your going to get an attitude, you really should just call this a mod. You would have to be a programmer to make a patch I just think it is funny you are trying to call this a patch. Now I will be starting a new game after I remove your mod. Thanks for your comments but they really did not address what my concerns are. If your mod is not broke it does not address any of the real problems with this game. Reality is not going to be found in a computer game, but if they changed a few things it would be more logical and realistic then it is now!
I am crossing my fingers that the "REAL" patch will correct the short comings. If not I will most likely shelf this game and dream of the good old days of playing civ 2. It is the best game of all time, next SMAC! Peace again no offense!
 Desert Dog
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bigvic
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Columbia, S.C.
Nov 2001
time: 00:16
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quote:
Originally posted by Desert Dog
Okay I will admit that I did not read up on the Privateer. It makes no sense why there should be a unit like this for any purpose other than to depict the Pirate ships of old.
Have you ever played the "real" civ 2 sequel? (in my opinion anyways) Alpha Centauri or better yet Alien Crossfire is what I am talking about. The combat, the diplomacy should have been looked at to make civ 3 a TRUE sequel. In SMAC I have an option in diplomacy screen to ask another civ to stop the war with your friend. I asked this question to see if anyone else is looking at the things I am.
By the way, why are you calling this a patch? I appreicate your efforts at making a mod. We will always need mods, but this is not even close to a patch, no offense! What your mod does is not clear at all to me yet. I mean the game is still horribly un balanced even with your mod.
By the way, I am not a new person playing I know how a battle should go I am not a kid! My battleship was a Vet. fighter, the carvel was at the most a regular. It attacked me and I had just a little red left. That is the big gripe with civ 3 is the totally unbalanced combat.
One last comment Civ 3 is a far cry from a TRUE sequel to civ 2. It should have been called Call To Power 3. It has more of that game then civ 2. I am REALLY hoping that old Sid see's what he did wrong and corrects it, but I doubt it! Everyone rating this game super high has not tried to play a full game. It is riddled with TRUE BUGS like the ones I spoke of. Diplomacy the way it is totally sucks.
Hey I know your going to get an attitude, you really should just call this a mod. You would have to be a programmer to make a patch I just think it is funny you are trying to call this a patch. Now I will be starting a new game after I remove your mod. Thanks for your comments but they really did not address what my concerns are. If your mod is not broke it does not address any of the real problems with this game. Reality is not going to be found in a computer game, but if they changed a few things it would be more logical and realistic then it is now!
I am crossing my fingers that the "REAL" patch will correct the short comings. If not I will most likely shelf this game and dream of the good old days of playing civ 2. It is the best game of all time, next SMAC! Peace again no offense!
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Hey desert dog, I agree with you about a lot of aspects of the game as put out by Firaxis. I love it, but hope some official patches are forthcoming on a number of areas. I agree, the game could have been better. It would be nice to see a combination of all the best of these god games in one, the combat system of CTP2, the diplomacy of SMAC, etc, etc...
But chill on ancient. He's not making $ for this, you know! Personally, I enjoy the changes (almost all of them) and, yes it is more a "mod" than a patch. I understand your ire at Firaxis for not putting out as good a product as they could have (though still a darned good one), but if you don't like the ancient patch, don't complain, just don't use it.
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Its hardly the mods fault, the game is simply ****ed up. Thats what is producing the wierd combat results. In any case, I've been using his mod since 1.25 and it does add postive improvements to the game. Now if only Firaxis would get that patch out...
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ancient
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Life Goes On
May 2001
time: 00:16
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quote:
Originally posted by Desert Dog
Okay I will admit that I did not read up on the Privateer. It makes no sense why there should be a unit like this for any purpose other than to depict the Pirate ships of old.
Have you ever played the "real" civ 2 sequel? (in my opinion anyways) Alpha Centauri or better yet Alien Crossfire is what I am talking about. The combat, the diplomacy should have been looked at to make civ 3 a TRUE sequel. In SMAC I have an option in diplomacy screen to ask another civ to stop the war with your friend. I asked this question to see if anyone else is looking at the things I am.
By the way, why are you calling this a patch? I appreicate your efforts at making a mod. We will always need mods, but this is not even close to a patch, no offense! What your mod does is not clear at all to me yet. I mean the game is still horribly un balanced even with your mod.
By the way, I am not a new person playing I know how a battle should go I am not a kid! My battleship was a Vet. fighter, the carvel was at the most a regular. It attacked me and I had just a little red left. That is the big gripe with civ 3 is the totally unbalanced combat.
One last comment Civ 3 is a far cry from a TRUE sequel to civ 2. It should have been called Call To Power 3. It has more of that game then civ 2. I am REALLY hoping that old Sid see's what he did wrong and corrects it, but I doubt it! Everyone rating this game super high has not tried to play a full game. It is riddled with TRUE BUGS like the ones I spoke of. Diplomacy the way it is totally sucks.
Hey I know your going to get an attitude, you really should just call this a mod. You would have to be a programmer to make a patch I just think it is funny you are trying to call this a patch. Now I will be starting a new game after I remove your mod. Thanks for your comments but they really did not address what my concerns are. If your mod is not broke it does not address any of the real problems with this game. Reality is not going to be found in a computer game, but if they changed a few things it would be more logical and realistic then it is now!
I am crossing my fingers that the "REAL" patch will correct the short comings. If not I will most likely shelf this game and dream of the good old days of playing civ 2. It is the best game of all time, next SMAC! Peace again no offense!
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I only called it a patch because i was fixing Stuff that made combat wrong i also was trying to think of a name and it was the first thing that came to me.
your right its not a patch, it is a rule mod, i am trying to get the name changed. mostly because its misleading.
i will now remove all of the word patch.
oh yeah and if my mods no good why would the game be? i truly think i made it better.
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bigvic
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Columbia, S.C.
Nov 2001
time: 00:16
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Hi ancient. I'm playing w/ 1.8 and so far its going good. I would like to know what the reasoniong behind powering up the chariot was. I'm having great fun rampaging with Japanese chariots toward early conquests, but I feel a bit guilty. I don't think the AI understands how to use them correctly. I guess the rationale is the fact that they can't be upgraded, but making them faster than horsemen & knights is a bit too much. Is the Egyptian war chariot toughened up? Perhaps this would be good for them. You sure the impi needs upgrading? Does this infringe on the Aztecs? Beware too much upgunning, Also, I don't think allowing cavalry to upgrade to tanks, as much as it sounds like fun, is not such a great idea. It paradoxically hurts the Germans (can't upgrade to special unit - panzer) and Russians (can't upgrade from special unit - cossack) and, besides, historically, cavalry was one of those branches that actuall did linger around long after it was really effective. Perhaps if you could figure out some way to allow such upgrades or allow civs to build standard units... I've read somewhere else where someone has, or was going to do just such a thing. Hey, don't get me wrong, I appreciate all you've done, great work. I do think, however, that you went a little too far in the abovementioned areas.
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ancient
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Life Goes On
May 2001
time: 00:16
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Also about the chariots, i am going to increase there price to three, to make up for there aditional boost.
plus having two horses with a light wheeled vehicle makes them fast, and the cant travel on mountain tiles or jungle tiles, so i think its balanced.
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Desert Dog
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3rd Rock from the sun
Nov 2001
time: 21:16
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Okay you will see just how much of a lamer I am now  !
I like to edit the Americans, I change them to from Industrious to Scienitific (spelling) + expansionists. I give them 2 extra tech, change the name of leader, adjust AI to Warlord, Adjust world map settings to 32 spaces between, 10 civs, 50 rioting factor (or whatever you call it) I like the 200+ size maps. I generate a map, and load it as a scenario. It crashes when my first settler appears, general fault. It makes me reboot my system to clear it up. I am running Win 98 right now. Switching to Win 2000 Professional sometime this weekend. XP has many issues with hardware right now. NOT a good idea for anyone to be upgrading to it right away. I am a OEM system builder and we discourage people from upgrading right now. Many of our customers who have now have many programs that will not run correctly. Yet another Microsoft screw up or a way for them to make more money. Time will tell!
I have a high end computer system. I just installed my new OS a few months ago. I take it I am the only person with crashing going on? I tried one game without changing anything or making a map, it worked for a few turns anyways without crashing. I suspect it has something to do with the same reason why we cannot make scenarios, it is still borken.
I really liked the changes you made in 1.8 accept the reverse Culture thing. It seems like it would really work against you later in the game. Loose cities and status because of the minus culture items you added. Of course I am not just saying my thoughts I have not played the game! Keep the mods coming! 
Desert Dog
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ancient
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Life Goes On
May 2001
time: 00:16
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so did your prolem fix itself?
if it ddnt try not making your changes or downloading the mod then see if it works.
and make sure you delete every thing then install it again.
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Desert Dog
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3rd Rock from the sun
Nov 2001
time: 21:16
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quote:
Originally posted by bigvic
Hey desert dog, I agree with you about a lot of aspects of the game as put out by Firaxis. I love it, but hope some official patches are forthcoming on a number of areas. I agree, the game could have been better. It would be nice to see a combination of all the best of these god games in one, the combat system of CTP2, the diplomacy of SMAC, etc, etc...
But chill on ancient. He's not making $ for this, you know! Personally, I enjoy the changes (almost all of them) and, yes it is more a "mod" than a patch. I understand your ire at Firaxis for not putting out as good a product as they could have (though still a darned good one), but if you don't like the ancient patch, don't complain, just don't use it. |
Hey Bigvic I am not riding Ancient about his mod. I am a disgruntled Civ 2 addict. CTP2 was nothing more than a rip off of civ 2 and a VERY POOR rip-off I might add. The combat was not good, SMAC had the good combat I really thought they would take all the good points of civ 2 and SMAC for the sequel. The truth however is that this game ONLY has Sid's name and Civ name franchise. The programmers who did this were none other than the CTP2 boys. I thought something was fishy! THey should have consulted with Brian Reynolds and Tim Train. It almost looks like Sid never even looked at the game. Look everyone who is taking me messages wrong. I am upset how the sequel has turned out plain and simple. Even Extended Play said that this is a game ONLY with Sid's name not the same as the series.
Aside from it being a bad sequel it has the potential of being a good game if you don't compare it to civ 2. Tough with the name being civ 3 though! What gets me is that even some of the GOOD things from ctp2 were left out as well as the good things from civ 2. OKAY?  I will stop now I wanted to make it clear where I am coming from. Clearly MOST everyone on here liked ctp2. Seems that all the suggestions have come from ctp2 fans. I will go cry now that I waited all this time for a TRUE sequel and to be disappointed! No patch will ever make this a true sequel. It is another turn based game based on civ 2. Peace! 
 Desert Dog
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bigvic
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Columbia, S.C.
Nov 2001
time: 00:16
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Hey Desert Dog. I agree w/ you for the most part. I have mixed views of civ III. On the one hand, I find myself spending way too much time playing it. On the other hand, I am also dissapointed in many aspects. BTW, you did'nt like the combat system of the ctp's? I thought that was a strong point. I played ctpI before the Sid Meirs civs, so the kill one, kill 'em all aspect of the latter really drove me nuts. Overall, I'd like to see a more sane way of doing alliances in civ III. Have you played w/ all 16 civs? It always reaches this point where ally #1 is pounding ally #2, whose fighting foe #1, the enemy of ally#1's ally, who is... um... I think... um ...where was I? AnywayI can't think of hardly any historical parallels, so it bothers me. I do miss the feats of wonder from ctpII, though I think that the small wonders (wouldn't "minor" been better - I can't help thinking of that awful little robot girl show some years ago). Also, expansionist civs stink. Maybe some kind of distance from capital corruption relief (which is too draconic anyway) would be nice. Anyway, got to go. Lets hope for improvements in future editions. I agree, civ II does smack of ctp'esque shoddy rush jobbiness.
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bigvic
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Columbia, S.C.
Nov 2001
time: 00:16
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Jeez, I'm posting a lot. Anyway, ancient: I don't know what you're capable of, but what about a little help for those anemic expansionist civs. In the big 16 civ monstrosities I like to play I've noticed they tend to fall behind and get eaten up w/ depressing frequency. What follows are a few ideas for expansionist civs. I don't know how each would affect things, but...
1. settlers take only one pop to build
2. less distance from capital corruption, or cheaper courthouses
3. start w/ extra settler, and/or scout, worker, warrior
4. settlers have 2 movement
5. expansionist civs less likely to lose city to culture/more likely to gain city fromculture
6. nationality changes faster in conquered cities
I don't know how many would be right, probably one or two.
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Tomsawyer
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Plutark, great mod bro. I have added one major wonder in the modern era, am testing it out now: Mars Colony....... before we step out to the stars we will learn to crawl around within our own home system. Let me test out a bit more, its complex and I want to ensure it does not crash your mod or the game. If it works and the computer can pick up on it I will post the full details.
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bigvic
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Columbia, S.C.
Nov 2001
time: 00:16
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Originally posted by ancient
haw about a unique expansionist only unit, to replace scout
Conqueror
With stats 4/2/2
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Restore your mod to a respected level? You are doing a great job. Anyway, I really think expansionist civs need something to make far flung empires more viable. Less corruption for distance from capital is the best solution. It would last the whole game, like kickbutt workers for industrious civs, cheap military improvements and easy morale upgrades for militaristic civs, cheap religious improvements and easy government changes for religious civs, and cheap econimic improvements and increased big city commerce for commercial civs. But expansionist civs? Am I missing something here? An extra scout?
I mean, think about the four expansionist civs of the game. The Brits with their far flung maritme empire, the Americans and Russians expanding from different directions across their vast respective continental landmasses, the Zulus, well, who knows what they would have done, given the opportunity? All were able to more effectively administer these empires, extending effective government to the distant corners of their civilizations. Yeah, less distance based corruption, or, perhaps the ability to build a second Forbidden Palace seems to be the best answer to me.
Keep up the good work.
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28-11-2001 02:04
What kind of balance is this?) I had another issue where my privateer was attacked by another civ while I am at peace. Once I could I checked the diplomatic screen and no problems. It was not a barbarian either clearly had the Zululand color. 
though love to play!
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