15-11-2001 00:23									#1
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12-6-2001: !!!POSTED NEW VERSION 1.3 !!!
Now has standard sized map included!!!
11-25-2001: !!! POSTED NEW VERSION 1.2 !!!
11-15-2001: !!! POSTED NEW VERSION 1.1 !!!

Hello Everyone,

Here is my custom map of Earth to replace the map that came with the game. It is a 180 x 180 map. You will find that Europe is more formed as well as Asia and the Pacific. I've put resources in their proper positions as well as rivers and terrain types. And, I paid attention to the look and play of the map. Now, if only there were a way to set specific starting loctions for Civs.

Screenshots of huged size map:
http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/zeb_f...rc=bc%26.view=t

Screenshots of standard size map:
http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/zeb_f...rc=bc%26.view=t

Please do not steal my work. If you modify the map for redistribution, please acknowledge me as the original creator.

Enjoy!

Zeb Fisher
zeb_fisher@yahoo.com


VERSION 1.1 November 15th, 2001
- Added additional resources, including iron, to all locations of the map.
- Added a few more major rivers, including the Indus.
- Fixed rivers that were not completely drawn in like the Danube.
- Changed some terrain features in Mexico, Canada, Africa, and the Yakutsk region.

VERSION 1.2 November 25th, 2001
I did a lot of work with resources. I believe now that the map is in its final stage in regards to resources!
- Fixed Indus river in India to show more of a flood plain
- Redrew some areas of the map (see France)
- Adjusted resource counts (see read me)

VERSION 1.3 December 6th, 2001
- Added standard (100 x 100) sized map!!!!
- Made some very small terrain changes to huge map

Attachment: earth map.zip
This has been downloaded 13984 time(s).

Last edited by Zeb_Fisher on 08-12-2001 at 02:42

	15-11-2001 15:44									#2
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Looks like the best earth-map available yet - will be a joy to play!

Peace!
-- Roland

	15-11-2001 17:50									#3
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180 X 180, how big is that?

	15-11-2001 18:01									#4
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Good work on the map, one comment is that Africa looks a bit too big and europe looks quite small.

Well done though.

	15-11-2001 20:08									#5
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Love the map, don't get me wrong! I usually play around with these things, but I've been bogged down trying to develop my strategy, ie. playing many games...just one more turn...

Anyway, I love the map, a few things I'd like to see though...

Can this map be expanded any and how hard is that to do?

There appear to be compression zones (invisible lines where the geographic proportions have been compressed) running vertically through the Andes in the west, and vertically through the Ukrain in the East, and finally along horizontal lines through southern France and the Sudan. If possible, I'd like to see this map expanded maybe three to five grid points along said compression zones.

Also, where's the iron in Africa, and the middle east, let alone Russia!

IMHO, I don't see enough resources...

Again, maybe this is a minor thing for many of you....

Like I said, I loved the map, best to date, but I'd like to see it expanded along the invisible compression zones and spiced up just a little more with resources.

	15-11-2001 20:53									#6
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NO ANTARCTICA AGAIN *sic*

I know that I can take up this map and add it, but nobody remembers our 6th continent? It could be interesting with amounts of rare resources like uranium and aluminium.

	15-11-2001 21:04									#7
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I am no good at making civ3 maps, but I know what should be on them, and obviously yours is amazing (so much better than the original). But, I love playing the Indians, and they are done a great disservice by not including the flood plains of the Indus river. The indus river valley was afterall one of the centers of civilization in the ancient world!


Quixote

	15-11-2001 22:56									#8
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quote: Originally posted by XarXo NO ANTARCTICA AGAIN *sic* I know that I can take up this map and add it, but nobody remembers our 6th continent? It could be interesting with amounts of rare resources like uranium and aluminium.

I left Antartica out on purpose. The AI builds cities everywhere and I didn't think it helps game play to have 30 cities spread across Antartica.


Zeb

	15-11-2001 23:02									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Don K Hotay I am no good at making civ3 maps, but I know what should be on them, and obviously yours is amazing (so much better than the original). But, I love playing the Indians, and they are done a great disservice by not including the flood plains of the Indus river. The indus river valley was afterall one of the centers of civilization in the ancient world! Quixote

Good suggestion! I think it will actually help the map to have that in, as it will provide a possible irrigation point for Persia as well.

I'll put it in for the next version... Thanks!


Zeb

	15-11-2001 23:07									#10
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quote: Originally posted by WarKing Also, where's the iron in Africa, and the middle east, let alone Russia! IMHO, I don't see enough resources...

If I remember my history right, Europe's biggest advantage over the middle east came during the discovery of iron. The middle east had none and European weapons became superior. Even today, I may be wrong, we trade iron for oil.

There is some iron in Africa on the west coast and in the south. Should I put more?


Zeb

	16-11-2001 00:25									#11
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The Middle East had plenty of Iron, though not as much as, say, Spain or Sweden. In fact, iron working is largely believed to have been discovered in the Caucasus (as well as in China). I don't know where the exact sources are, but the Caucasus, Persian mountains, and Turkey should have some.

Damascene steel is still considered the finest weapons-grade steel ever made.

However, Iron is pretty much ubiquitous worldwide, with some exceptions. If the Iron resource squares represent only the richest deposits, I'm not really sure where they should go. Spain, Sweden, probably Australia, Russia, China, and the Caucasus, maybe. Don't know about the Americas, since the Aztecs and Incas never figured out how to use it.

Good move with Antarctica. Hadn't though of the AI expansion. Resource outposts there in the BCs would be silly - and you know it would happen. Still, putting resources on the polar edge that most maps have to represent Antarctica would work, probably. The AI somehow knows not to put cities there. (though that might change if resources were present).

If only you could put oil at sea....

	16-11-2001 04:40									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Gaius Marius The Middle East had plenty of Iron, though not as much as, say, Spain or Sweden. In fact, iron working is largely believed to have been discovered in the Caucasus (as well as in China). I don't know where the exact sources are, but the Caucasus, Persian mountains, and Turkey should have some.

The area with no iron is mainly North Africa through Iran/Persia.

I can see some places where I should add more. For example, at the beginning of the Nile in Ethiopia there should be some.

I'll add more in version 1.1 ...

I am only trying to show the major iron deposits (i have a map that shows them). My intent is make a civ act either through war or trade to gain resources. One could argue that silk and spices are available everywhere as well.

I'll have version 1.1 posted before the weekend...

Zeb

	16-11-2001 23:07									#13
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Great job Zeb thanks to people like you Civ III is off to a great start Thanks

	18-11-2001 05:53									#14
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I've been playing the map (version 1.1) and spending time really looking at how resources are played out. I'm noticing that their isn't much trading going on.

In the inteview with Soren from Fireaxis, he says that tradable resources are generally generated with two per civilization. I've counted the resources across the map and have come up with the following:

http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/ef65...cw82R8AkrpmG9F9

I'm going to spend more time on resources and will post version 1.2 hopefully within a week.

My plan is to give regions more monopolies over resources.

What do you all think?

Zeb

	22-11-2001 03:35									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Zeb_Fisher I'm going to spend more time on resources and will post version 1.2 hopefully within a week. My plan is to give regions more monopolies over resources. What do you all think? Zeb

Can't wait! Please, just make sure India has flood plains!!

Quixote

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	22-11-2001 07:29									#16
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I'm redrawing India now ...

Things are going slow with the holiday coming up.

Some other changes I've made so far:

Less oil in the U.S.
Wine in Australia and South Africa.



Zeb

	25-11-2001 03:24									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Gaius Marius Don't know about the Americas, since the Aztecs and Incas never figured out how to use it.

No, but the Incas could temper copper to be just as sharp.

... and we still have no idea how they did it!

	26-11-2001 01:38									#18
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Ok ... Here is the quote from the chat with Soren:

"[Congestion] Is there a set ratio between resources, i.e. gold is more common than oil and so on, or is that totally random?

[Soren_Johnson_Firaxis] Congestion: there is a ratio for resources and luxuries which is set by the number of players in the game. There is always at least one resource per civ and there is never more than one luxury per civ. The "commodity" resources (wheat, gold, etc...) basically just fill up the rest of the map."


I read this to mean that I actually should keep the number of strategic resources around 16 and the number of luxury resources to less than 16 for this map.


Zeb

	26-11-2001 05:08									#19
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Hello Everyone,

I have just posted version 1.2 of the map. Go to the top of this thread to download it.

I have reworked all of the resources based on the chat with Soren Johnson. I've reduced some resources and increased others and have gotten the map to where the Civs trade and you as the player have to make strategic decisions to acquire the resources you want. In some cases it is quite possible for a Civ to obtain a near monopoly over a specific resource....

I believe now the map is complete. You can also view some new screen shots by clicking the links in the first post of this thread.

Here are the resource counts:

HORSES 16
IRON 22
SALTPETER 18
COAL 26
OIL 17
RUBBER 16
BAUXITE 16
URANIUM 16
WINE 10
FURS 12
DIES 10
INCENSE 10
SPICES 10
IVORY 10
SILKS 10
GEMS 12


Also, I added a MOD of the map where I made some changes that will hopefully deal with corruption.

Enjoy!

Zeb

	08-12-2001 02:56									#20
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Hello everyone:

I've released version 1.3 which now includes a standard ( 100 x 100) sized map!!!

This smaller map is better for faster games. It's the first release of this map so let me know what changes you think it needs.



Enjoy!

Zeb::

	30-06-2002 22:50									#21
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Please make Iceland larger... and it is not only glacier on Iceland. Remember the hot springs...

And gold in Sweden? Never heard of that...

I also think that it is VERY much resources in USA, compared to the rest of the world, is this just because you are American?

	14-05-2003 16:03									#22
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really the best world map!

best wishes,
nova

	15-05-2003 04:55									#23
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Incredible....there's still people downloading one of the worst world maps.....after 2 years there are many far better

	24-05-2003 17:37									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Rhye Incredible....there's still people downloading one of the worst world maps.....after 2 years there are many far better

Can't agree with you more Ryhe...hell, even your conversion of Kal-Els map is better

	24-05-2003 23:43									#25
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I think someone is jelious

Shame shame!

	03-06-2003 19:01									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Timeline I think someone is jelious Shame shame!

jealousy........isn't it true that this is a very distorted Earh map?