16-11-2001 11:44									#1
	Colonies? bad idea gone worse. Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

We all know the issue.

we can use workers to build a thing called a coloney.

Well what is a coloney?

It would seem that through out history colonies have been the humble beginings of what would latter become cities.

And the colonies in Civ III never become cities.

Isn't that just awful? I can't believe the programers added colonies that never grow into cities. A wasted use of a "NAME!"

notice I wrote the word "NAME" in all caps and put quotes around it? Thats all it is folks it is a name. Nothing more.

I can solve this whole problem with colonies being worthless because they never become cities issue right now for everybody.

Change the name to mining camps.

OK cool they are not colonies anymore, now they are not expected to grow, they are not expected to have a culture radius, and they are not expected to do anything a city can do. All they can do is bring a remote resource into your empire and offer that often "FUN" eliment of a strategic military target. How many wars have been won by cutting an enemy off from his resources?

Thank you all, glad I could put so critical an issue to rest for everybody.

-Omnix

	16-11-2001 11:54									#2
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LOTS OF WARS HAVE BEEN WON BY CUTTING OF SUPPLIES!
This happenes even during modern ages!. If you could prevent an army from access to food, or cut off oil lines to support building weapons then you have won the war

	16-11-2001 12:06									#3
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good point.

	16-11-2001 12:10									#4
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quote: Originally posted by omnix issue right now for everybody. Change the name to mining camps. -Omnix

Yep, makes sense.

	16-11-2001 12:24									#5
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I suggest to give players the ability to build colonies on enemy territory/. But it is cause of war. So that weak countries can't fight with powerful and they will be strand their colonies. But when weak countries will come powerful enough they crash colonizers.

	16-11-2001 20:10									#6
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First few days of play I thought colonies were worthless. Since then they are of value when I want a resource just outside my border. Border grows, colony gets absorbed. Some games a far flung resource is desirable. Even if its for a limited duration, workers are cheap after you have 6 or so cities up and running.
I've found that seldom would a settler be a more desirable, aka a city, in these instances where the resource is close to your border or so far away.

Trading Post! How about that for a rename!

	16-11-2001 20:32									#7
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I've used a colony only once to discover how useless they are... civs expand too fast... within 30 or so turns the great land grab is over and we now focus on developing cities... and why would you colonize a resource that will only get swallowed by an AI city?

	16-11-2001 21:42									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Alex Kravetski I suggest to give players the ability to build colonies on enemy territory/. But it is cause of war. So that weak countries can't fight with powerful and they will be strand their colonies. But when weak countries will come powerful enough they crash colonizers.

I'm not trying to insult you, but I have *absolutely no clue* what that means.

	16-11-2001 22:15									#9
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Read my (recent) thread on how I propose to make them useful.

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=34237

ta.

	16-11-2001 22:18									#10
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quote: Originally posted by TheDarkside I... and why would you colonize a resource that will only get swallowed by an AI city?

Silk, incense, etc. those luxury items and their effects are worth the benefit. They help with the contentment ratio, and hence production. They can be used in trade for techs and stuff even if you lose the colony within the 20 turn span of the trade agreement. Iron, Saltpeter, and even sometimes oil are still unclaimed in many games and of course, are critical for the military, even if temporarily.

(Edited to add clarifier: I play on large maps.)

I'm to the point in playing where I scramble for every advantage I can get to achieve my goal of *stirring music* "A Civilization To Stand The Test of Time!". Wait, was that from CtP?

	16-11-2001 22:20									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Howling Chip First few days of play I thought colonies were worthless.

Funny, first few days of play I thought they were usefull~

/dev

	17-11-2001 05:17									#12
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I've had the game since it was released, and have yet to make a colony.

	17-11-2001 06:07									#13
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I made ONE colony and realized quickly what everyone else realizes - that they get swallowed up by the AI's borders in a few turns, and you're out a worker for nothing.

The only way to save this feature is to make the tile the colony is built on part of your territory and not subject to absorption except through conquest or cultural assimilation in the style of cities. The AI just plopping a city down nearby should NOT take the colony and the tile away.

	17-11-2001 06:35									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Ludwig The only way to save this feature is to make the tile the colony is built on part of your territory and not subject to absorption except through conquest or cultural assimilation in the style of cities. The AI just plopping a city down nearby should NOT take the colony and the tile away.

Absolutely agree with you.
Colonies should have their own border radius, so another city doesnt force them to leave. Otherwise you are just staking your claim until someone else wants that resource - which is pointless.