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Dr.Oogkloot
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Hello everyone,
There are a few simple changes I think everyone should make in Civ 2.
Firstly, replacing the Sioux Civ with the Incas. I think this is a real no-brainer: the Incas were historically more advanced and important, and in my opinion more interesting too. Furthermore this is better for geographical balance. I'm also thinking about replacing the Carthaginians with something else, maybe the Dutch.
I also replace the SETI Program wonder with the Internet (which should also require computers and is more important, and if it's not a wonder it at least deserves its own tech). A disadvantage here is that the icon would be wrong but that can be edited too.
I also replace that ghastly purple shield color (seventh civ) in city.gif with a nice dark grey. After all, how could I ever respect a purple civ?
I've also changed all rulers in rules.txt to male rulers and replaced "she" with "he" etc. in labels.txt. This solves the problem of having to think of a female leader for each (new) civ; I also think it's much nicer to play against Augustus than Livia, for example (I don't know of any civ where I would choose a female leader as one of the two most important/interesting ones).
Since it's ridiculous to have alpine troops defending cities, I changed their defense value to 4 and their attack value to 6. I also added a "Heavy Infantry" unit for city defense (ADM 7/5/1) (Heavy Weapons tech requires conscription and machine tools).
Actually I've made much more extensive changes than these but I think these ones are quite simple changes and I really don't think there's a reason not to make them.
Anyway, if anyone has comments or other ideas, please reply.
Emperor Oogkloot the Somewhat Acceptable
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Ken Hinds
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And Golda Mier, Indira Ghandi, Pakistan had one for a while also.
Tonic, Legend, and maybe fact also, has it that during President Wilson's stroke that his wife was actually making the decision in his name. The general public just wasn't informed of his condition.
Ken
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Hasdrubal
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Carthage.
May 2000
time: 05:12
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Oldman, yeah, welsh girls are great.  Well, all one of them that I know personally are.
Oh, and I don't really care what anybody says about former woman-rulers. But don't nobody dare take Carthage out of the game! Grrr!
OK, let's give Oogkloot's post the serious reply that it deserves:
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Firstly, replacing the Sioux Civ with the Incas.
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I've done that also! I agree.
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I'm also thinking about replacing the Carthaginians.
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Uhm, like I said in my previous post...
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I also replace the SETI Program wonder with the Internet
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Makes a lot of sense. I think that Civ is showing it's age here. We can probably expect the internet making an appearance in Civ III.
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I also replace that ghastly purple shield color.
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That's a matter of taste. I like purple, it's the colour of kings and Prince. (the artist formerly known as 'symbol')
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I've also changed all rulers in rules.txt to male rulers
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Everybody's been over this one already. Some female rules that appear in the game seem a bit forced indeed, and are really only there to provide players with the option of playing as a woman. (Livia, and, uh... oh well, they're not important anyway).
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Since it's ridiculous to have alpine troops defending cities, I changed their defense value to 4 and their attack value to 6.
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Alpine troops suck! When you make use of their one redeeming factor, moving through heavy terrain, they hardly have any attack value left. Maybe their movement factor should be changed to two. Then you can still attack after you're done skiing through the countryside.
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Ceterum censeo Romam esse delendam.
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Dr.Oogkloot
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Originally posted by Hasdrubal on 07-27-2000 07:58 AM
Victoria, Catherine the Great, Cleopatra, Boadicea, Gunnhild and Dido spring to mind...
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I use Churchill instead of Victoria, Lenin instead of C. the Great, Vercingetorix instead of Boadicea, Leif Eriksson instead of Gunnhild (not a very good one I admit), and Hasdrubal (the ancient leader, not you) instead of Dido (isn't Dido completely fictional anyway? I could be wrong there though)
Some counter-examples (reasons to change labels.txt and rules.txt)
Ishtari, Amaterasu and Nazca are goddesses not leaders IIRC (I use Nebukhadnezar, Hirohito and Cuauhtemoc respectively), and therefore not at all appropriate for Civ2. I already mentioned Livia (there are about two hundred leaders I'd put there before her). IIRC Hippolyta wasn't even Greek.
And I'll give you my reasons for changing the Carthaginians to the Dutch: firstly, as Allard said, the orange color fits them better; secondly, I'm Dutch myself; thirdly, the Carthaginians tend to behave like bastards in Civ 2; fourthly: nothing personal Hasdrubal but I just don't like Carthaginians.
Emperor Oogkloot the Somewhat Acceptable, One-Man Civilization and Bouncing Corpse (not really but I think it sounds nice)
PS If anyone reading this has not replaced Sioux with Incas please post here, I'd like to know why not.
PPS The Celts are another candidate to be edited out IMO
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Dr.Oogkloot
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D'oh Double-Posted again
[This message has been edited by Dr.Oogkloot (edited July 29, 2000).]
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Thue
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Copenhagen, Denmark
Jan 1970
time: 06:12
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Get a decent civ game that supports more than 14 nations. Freeciv currently have 36, including Carthaginians, Dutch, Sioux and Inca.
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Az
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MACEDONIA - It's the name of the sovereign country to the north of Greece
Apr 2000
time: 07:12
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"Who can respect a purple civ"
well I kinda respect the mongols . anyway , why aren't gray and purple two different colours ?
P.S.
americans out . ( sorry )
Incas in .
celts out
zulus in but please get another civ to southern and central civ .... like ethiopians.
arabs in , of course . ( could be implimented with that nomadic idea , as well as mongols, coz their starting point is mekka , in the desert , an oasis .
russians as always
atzeks as always
romans as always , but they never grow up to be an empire in civ , actually .
Native americans , not sioux , and they should be that kinda nomadic civ. and they could resist the upcoming atzecs from the north .
turks : I dunno .
Hebrews : oh I am tempted but between babilonians , egyptians , arabs and Persians?
well I guess they'll have to raise the map resolution , if you know what do I mean.
coz it's kinda hard to place 280 million ppl ( I bet there is more )in the middle east on 21 tiles . I barely get size 35 city .
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Dr.Oogkloot
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By the way, a few more counter-examples (for editing labels.txt)
Bortei (who?) vs Timur Lenk
Jeanne d'Arc vs Napoleon
Maria Theresa vs Bismarck or Hitler
Dr.Oogkloot
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Jim W
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Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada
Sep 1999
time: 05:12
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Is this the place to bring in my pet peeve, such as Romans and Babylonians running around on the same map, when in actual fact the Babylonians were long gone Charlie when the Romans got started?
And it gets worse if you throw in some Americans, under the magnificent Despot, Abe Lincoln.
So I've been using Random maps, and progressively changing the names of the Civs, along with the names of thie cities. that way, I get Civs on the board who have no connection to known history, something I find a bit easier to work with.
Jim W
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