20-11-2001 06:10									#31
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quote: Originally posted by volcanohead Because, after all, the majority is always right. Particularly so in America, with such a well-educated population, highly tuned to the subtleties of international relations.

Are you serouis

I saw no indications or hints of any sarcasm in that post.

	20-11-2001 06:11									#32
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Attack Iraq:

Saudis and Egyptians and Palestinians pissed, but what are they gonna do? Enter the war against us?

Syrians economy damaged? Why the hell should we care? It's already a wrecked economy.

Turkey's economy damaged? If it even is, poor them. (I don't know if this is true)

	20-11-2001 06:13									#33
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Yes poor turkey

(Dont we use there airbases to strike Iraq in the first place!)

	20-11-2001 06:14									#34
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I don't WANT them to have a poor economy, but USA first. Anyway did their economy die in the Gulf War? I think not.

	20-11-2001 06:15									#35
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quote: God I would love to be a fly on the wall in the Pentagon

Yikes, for a second, i thought you said "god, i would love to fly into the wall of the pentagon."

	20-11-2001 06:18									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Bob Dornan I don't WANT them to have a poor economy, but USA first. Anyway did their economy die in the Gulf War? I think not.

yes, UN Sanctions on Iraq has resulted in the loss on 100 billion dollars worth a trade for turkey.

	20-11-2001 06:20									#37
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I'll just assume that's true, and seeing if it's true, too bad for them. Turkey is an ally but I'm sure they'll "understand".

	20-11-2001 06:23									#38
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Well, do you really think there are people out there who believe that the majority of americans are well-versed in foreign affairs? Beyond possibly knowing the name of any particular town/country the americans are currently blowing the **** out of?

In case it needs spelling out, sarcasm: yes indeed.

	20-11-2001 06:30									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Bob Dornan I'll just assume that's true, and seeing if it's true, too bad for them. Turkey is an ally but I'm sure they'll "understand".

You are really one of those desktop programs arent you?

I cant get throught to you your living in your own sparkling ferry world

	20-11-2001 06:33									#40
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No. Condolezza Rice said herself that "we'll deal with Iraq",a nd like you said troops are being sent. You'll see what happens. Stop being such a Berkeley peace pansy. BE A CONSERVATIVE HERO

	20-11-2001 06:46									#41
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Bob I dont blindly follow a policital causes.

There will be serouis consequences if we hit Iraq. The likes of which you cannot imagine...

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"But are you so cowardly enough that you can't take some dictatorship against the greatest freest Republic in the world? We can handle it, for oil we can get the Russians who have much more than the Saudis."

-This is about not pissing off the whole of the Muslim world. Being the worlds hegemon, the US should tread lightly, or it will face increasing opposition everywhere it turns.

"Back to the point: join the majority of the country. If you don't, you're a whiny Berkeley peace pansy."

-I see... bow before the will of the majority.

"Saudis and Egyptians and Palestinians pissed, but what are they gonna do? Enter the war against us?"

-Ensure that we have no bases in the region to strike from ever again.

"I'll just assume that's true, and seeing if it's true, too bad for them. Turkey is an ally but I'm sure they'll "understand"."

-If you were president of the US, I would be surprised that if you had any allies by the end.

	20-11-2001 08:28									#43
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faded glory: I know very well. You'll see. That's all I can say now.

Commie living in the USA - Al Qaeda Mole

You cannot remain a hegemon without treading heavily. THAT"S HOW WE BECAME ONE leftist idiots

Ever heard of Kuwait, Bahrain, or Israel? Even Jordan. We have enough bases in that region. Turkey will probably bow down to us and let us use their bases anyway.

	20-11-2001 08:40									#44
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory BillyBob...... I am pro-war. Im just not pro-expansion of the war If you Bomb Iraq you have just most seroiusly ****ed the ME peace process..you have pissed off Turkeys economy. Eygpt is angry at you. Palestinians will protest in support of Saddam. Syria's economy is ****ed (both Syria and Turkey are dependant on Iraqi Oil Exports via pipelines and accross the border 'unrestricted' trade) Stop thinking about politics for a second bob. This is a huge mistake

Your pro war if someone else if fighing the war. Just as soon as it hits you then "oh no we must stop the maddess".


BTW, Let the Saudies put an embargo on us. We will then set back as ever last one of their rich asses is strung up by the little Osama wannabes. They need us. It pisses them off that they need us, but they need us.

	20-11-2001 08:45									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Bob Dornan faded glory: I know very well. You'll see. That's all I can say now. Commie living in the USA - Al Qaeda Mole You cannot remain a hegemon without treading heavily. THAT"S HOW WE BECAME ONE leftist idiots Ever heard of Kuwait, Bahrain, or Israel? Even Jordan. We have enough bases in that region. Turkey will probably bow down to us and let us use their bases anyway.

Hey if Turkey doesn't fall in line, we can just let the Greeks kick their ass. They have been wanting to for awhile now.

	20-11-2001 08:46									#46
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"You cannot remain a hegemon without treading heavily. THAT"S HOW WE BECAME ONE leftist idiots"

-And it's exactly the way you will go down. Arrogance. All empires have had their day then fallen, the US is no different. Arrogance accelerates this. Pissing off the world accelerates this.

"Ever heard of Kuwait, Bahrain, or Israel?"

-Piss off the Muslims enough, and you might not have those. Well, except for the Israeli bases, but those would be subject to constant terrorist attack.

"We will then set back as ever last one of their rich asses is strung up by the little Osama wannabes."

-Wouldn't happen. If the US weren't in Saudi Arabia, there would be no Osama wannabes threatening the Saudis, they'd be threatening whoever still supported the US.

	20-11-2001 08:47									#47
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"Hey if Turkey doesn't fall in line, we can just let the Greeks kick their ass. They have been wanting to for awhile now."

No offense to Markos or anyone, but I seriously doubt that Greece could kick anyone's ass.

	20-11-2001 08:58									#48
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YOU'RE MORE ARROGANT THAN ME. I JUST FIGHT FOR ME COUNTRY'S INTERESTS.

YOU KNOW WHAT, WE GOTTA PISS OFF SOME PEOPLE. WECAN'T BE YOUR BUTT WIPERS ALL THE TIME. LIFE AIN'T FAIR YOU COMMIE AND FUNDAMENTALIST ROYAL SAUD AND MARXISTS

WITHOUT THE US, SAUDI WOULD BE SOME SLAVE OF IRAQ. SO THEY BEST BE GLAD. WE SAVED YOU ALL. VICTOR YOU'D BE SOME PEASANT IN ROMANICA SLAVING AWAY, BUT BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE THE USA YOU'RE LIVIN LA VIDA LOCA IN GEORGIA AND ON A COMPUTER DEBATING A TRUE AMERICAN

	20-11-2001 09:10									#49
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It is clear that we need to go back to Iraq and finish the job.


After the Gulf War, we asked the rebels within the country to overthrow Saddam, BUT THEN we left them hanging.

That is disgraceful and we owe it to the people of Iraq, who are suffereing and oppressed, to free them of their ruthless dictator, THE ONE THAT IS HURTING THE PEOPLE OF IRAQ --> Saddam Hussein.

I support a war against Iraq 100%. And yes in a call for volunteers I would answer the call. Better me dying or being disfigured or generally ****ed up than some poor sod with a wife and/or kids.

Three reasons for killing Saddam:

1) Prevent future terrorist attacks and bring a stable regime to the region.
2) We owe it to the people or Iraq, who are miserable.
3) Punishment for attacking our country

It's a tough decision that must be undertaken, but it is a NECESSARY one.

	20-11-2001 09:42									#50
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"YOU'RE MORE ARROGANT THAN ME. I JUST FIGHT FOR ME COUNTRY'S INTERESTS."

-Of course I am, but on a national scale, the US is the world's big jerk.

"YOU KNOW WHAT, WE GOTTA PISS OFF SOME PEOPLE. WECAN'T BE YOUR BUTT WIPERS ALL THE TIME. LIFE AIN'T FAIR YOU COMMIE AND FUNDAMENTALIST ROYAL SAUD AND MARXISTS"

-Well, then I suppose you shouldn't be whining about the Twin Towers either.

"VICTOR YOU'D BE SOME PEASANT IN ROMANICA SLAVING AWAY, BUT BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE THE USA YOU'RE LIVIN LA VIDA LOCA IN GEORGIA AND ON A COMPUTER DEBATING A TRUE AMERICAN"

-You underestimate the extent of my contacts in Romania. If I lived in there, I could milk the government for so much money, and be a corrupt bastard.

"3) Punishment for attacking our country"

-When did Iraq attack the US? I mean come on, those reasons are so outweighed by the disadvantages of attacking Iraq.

	20-11-2001 09:45									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Bob Dornan YOU'RE MORE ARROGANT THAN ME. I JUST FIGHT FOR ME COUNTRY'S INTERESTS. YOU KNOW WHAT, WE GOTTA PISS OFF SOME PEOPLE. WECAN'T BE YOUR BUTT WIPERS ALL THE TIME. LIFE AIN'T FAIR YOU COMMIE AND FUNDAMENTALIST ROYAL SAUD AND MARXISTS WITHOUT THE US, SAUDI WOULD BE SOME SLAVE OF IRAQ. SO THEY BEST BE GLAD. WE SAVED YOU ALL. VICTOR YOU'D BE SOME PEASANT IN ROMANICA SLAVING AWAY, BUT BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE THE USA YOU'RE LIVIN LA VIDA LOCA IN GEORGIA AND ON A COMPUTER DEBATING A TRUE AMERICAN

this reminds me of a quote from the muisical 1776. While the delegates are hacking away at the declaration of independence, John Adams finally stands up says "this is a revolution damn it, sooner or later we are going to have to offend somebody. "

	20-11-2001 09:59									#52
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victor galis,
I would never had expected such lack of faith from you!

TRANSYLVANIA IS HUNGARIAN

	20-11-2001 10:00									#53
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	20-11-2001 10:07									#54
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quote: When did Iraq attack the US? I mean come on, those reasons are so outweighed by the disadvantages of attacking Iraq.

Uhhhh, September 11th ring a bell?

	20-11-2001 10:19									#55
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I hereby give authorisation to the US to blast everyone it wishes to kingdom come.

US is a good ally, better than most I've seen

	20-11-2001 10:24									#56
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thanks paiktis.

This also could be for an occupying force in Afghanistan.

We'll see what happens.

Regardless, SOMETHING is going to have to eventually happen in Iraq, today or 10 years from now. Saddam isn't going to go away on his own.

Or maybe we just let Bin Laden "slip out" of Afghanistan and get into Iraq.

	20-11-2001 10:29									#57
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Ted - where's the evidence that Iraq had anything to do with September 11? Yes, there's the supposed meeting between one of the terrorists and an Iraqi intelligence official in Prague, but right now we have no idea what they talked about.

If it turns out that Iraq actually knew of and somehow supported the attacks, then let's get 'em. If they simply knew about it, then the daily bombing runs we've been for the past decade can be stepped up for a few weeks.

	20-11-2001 10:46									#58
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There was also a point when everyone wanted to see evidence if Bin Laden did it too...

	20-11-2001 10:53									#59
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I heard that a Mongolian battalion was on its way to Malaysia by way of flying carpets. My father's cousin's granddaughter knows somebody who looks exactly like Martha Bush, so it must be true. CNN hasn't heard about it yet, though.

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Do not underestimate the Mongolian Hoarde!