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connorkimbro
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Seoul Korea
Jan 1970
time: 23:16
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Like i said, i'm in the service myself. Personally, at this time, i know VERY FEW people that care. Several of my friends are gay. None of them are openly gay exactly, but a few of them don't try to hide it too well. And nobody cares. Most people know who's gay, and who's not, and nobody cares. They have talked with the drill sergeants about it (in my old company, where we still had drill sergeants) they have talked with my current XO about it, etc. NOBODY cares. It doesn't affect anyones morale, it doesn't affect the mission, it doesn't affect ANYTHING.
The only thing the don't ask don't tell policy affects is the morale of the people that ARE gay. they are constantly paranoid, constantly worried, that somebody high up who's anal about the rules WILL find out. the whole idea of "well you just keep your dirty little secrets to yourself" causes alot of emotional problems to people when your on the other side of the fence.
sexuality is not something ANYONE should parade, blah blah, but they should be just as comfortable being themselves as any straight person is.
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connorkimbro
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Seoul Korea
Jan 1970
time: 23:16
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If your gay, you can be in the armed services. Its called "Dont ask Dont tell"....Its works extremely well. |
Not exactly. It's a double standard. I can tell whoever i wan't that i'm straight, but they can't be honest about themselves and tell people that they're gay?
Second, any "gay" acts are illegal under of course most civil laws, but also under UCMJ laws.
edit: to respond to your last post.
Perhaps the base i'm at is different from every other base there is, but here, people DON'T CARE. Just about everybody know's who's gay, and nobody does a damn thing. The people that beat others up for being gay is in the extreme minority, and they should of course be punished along with anyone else that beats people up, fined, rank reduced, etc.
You may say, don't ask don't tell is for protection, but why? If you're gay, it WOULD BE, your choice of whether to tell or not. If you felt threatened, you wouldn't have to tell if you didn't want to. But right now, their freedoms are LIMITED.
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Bob Dornan
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MLK WAS TALKIN ABOUT RACE, NOT GAYS
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drake
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Maine, US
Oct 2000
time: 00:16
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I definetly agree with cyber.
Military is for defense of the United States. We preach equality and diversity, but we don't allow diversity in our military? Seems a bit hypocritical.
Everyone who is able and willing to serve, should be able to serve, in any aspect of the military they are qualified for. If women want to be infantry and go to the front lines? Fine with me if they are physically able. That should be their choice to make, not mine.
Being gay or straight doesnt make someone more or less of a soldier and it's absurd to think otherwise. Gays aren't necessarily sissy little twinks like that homo on will and grace. They're just guys. Physically the same as the straight population. Some are fat, some are tall, some are muscular, some are weaklings. Just like straight men.
Sure, theres still a lot of pinhead machismo crap going on with some of the military men, but this isn't the ww2 era anymore. I think the military is ready for a little more responsibility......
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Flubber
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With a view of the Rockies
Aug 2000
time: 22:16
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Yes gays and bis should be allowed but at the same time I do support the "Don't ask" part of the current policy. I don't think its anyone's business as to a person's sexuality so the question should never be asked.
As for the "Don't tell" part, I always thought this was a stupid concept. People should be free to share important parts of their lives with friends and acquaintances. If that means that a military guy mentions/states his orientation, there should be no official repercussions. If some idiot can't get past their bigotry perhaps the bigot has no place in the service.
I agree with the poster who says that most people don't care what a person's sexual orientation is. If a person does there job, who cares who they choose to sleep with? I have many gay griends that only want to live their lives, do their jobs, love freely whom they choose and simply go about their business without discrimination. I only wish I could forsee a world where this is completely possible
I confess I do sometimes get annoyed with people who wear their orientation as a badge in EVERYTHING they do ( and no I am not criticizing a normal show of affection like two men holding hands or whatever) it just people like this one acquaintance of mine-- for him, EVERYTHING that happens is about him being gay-- whenever he meets people his gayness is the first topic (and usually manages to be a theme whenever he speaks) and when he didn't get a job that he interviewed for . . .well of course it was discrimination (the fact that the successful applicant had 5 more years experience was lost on him)-- I will say this . . . after a while around such a person you get bored with them and choose to focus your attention and concern on cases of REAL discrimination ( and there are far too many of them). However thats probably more about the fact that he is a bore that that he is gay.
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20-11-2001 06:11
...It doesnt. Last I checked people who admit this are beatin up because they are checking out other men. That does effect moral. 
Somebody has to put this in a sig. This is classic. 
Your crazy
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