07-05-2001 05:57									#1
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I have made a new gigantic map (142 X 230) of the earth based on Julius Brenzaida's Gigaworld (found in the Civ II downloads section) and Alexandre's Mercator Earth (found at http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquar...smercator2.html )

It can be found at http://ostranderbellepoint.tripod.com/index.htm

Let me know what you think.

	07-05-2001 17:27									#2
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It“s brilliant! It really is.
Some minor notes, off the top of my head, without a world map at hand:
- The Indian subcontinent looks a tad out of ballance, leaning to the right.
- The Japanese island Hokkaido might need an extra square or two to the right, although that would mean it would be connected to Honshu, which seems to have been the very reason you didn“t add those squares.
- Australia“s coastline could need a bit of touching up, especially the Northwest (the “bump“ left of Darwin) and the Southeast (around Sydney).

But this map really looks like the best giga world map around (until I release mine, of course )
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	08-05-2001 09:18									#3
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Can I use this new map with an old copy of Civ2 (FWorlds) or will I have to get a copy of ToT?

	07-05-2001 22:48									#5
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WWWOOOOWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!
It is a really wonderfull map and probably the best world map of veryone, it will be very dificult to make better.

	08-05-2001 01:20									#6
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Your map is definitely great.
As great as my new one that I finished in january but hasn't found its way yet to the Apolyton Database. I send it to you and Mercator to have your opinions.
Of course your map is not perfect, no map would ever be, I am afraid but it is very realistic indeed. If I was to tickle, I could point that there are high mountains in Kamatchka and a few very little things like that, but you could find twice as much of such in my new world map.
Yours is really good : one believes he really is on earth.
My only slight critic would be that on some areas the terrain is not varied and perhaps that when one plays it could show. I mean, for example Russia is not only prairie, for many big town should thrive on it. Same with California.
But it's really a great effort. I wonder how many hours you spend on it. Mine took me something like 30-50 hours to make.
Congratulations once again !

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	08-05-2001 01:23									#7
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Excellent effort! Altho civers may know details of certain areas that could be improved, it clearly is a fabulous map. I like the inclusion of minor islands, particularly in the pacific. What time period is the terrain set for?

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	08-05-2001 01:57									#9
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I probably shouldn't have done it, but I couldn't resist tweaking the map in line with some of Mercator's suggestions.

I adjusted Australia's coastline (though I'm still not completely satisfied with it), as well as India's. I changed Hokkaido in Japan also. I updated the file on the site; and, deciding that the change wasn't great enough to include it seperately, I removed the old file and replaced it with the new. I hope that this didn't cause an inconvenience to anyone.

	08-05-2001 04:00									#10
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I've got both versions and I must say that they are both very excellent pieces of work. Well done! My pitiful attempts at making maps are now more evident than ever O' Master of Earthly Maps!
Seriously though, you did a great job with the first version and your updated version. I especially like the addition of evidence of Antarctica and Tasmania (which I believe exists as a bump in the Civ2 version) as well as the more detailed Northern Passage area above Canada. Good Work.

Itaque ille mei duo centesimus thaleri est - And that is my two cents (or so I think... B in Latin)
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	09-05-2001 04:29									#11
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Great, great work!

	09-05-2001 10:08									#12
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I don't mean to be critical, but I there were some minor things I saw that could be fixed.

The terrain looks rather plain. For instance, there are hills and forests and plains just about everywhere, and it wouldn't take too much effort to diversify it a little bit. It would certainly help playability.

Also, at the top of mountains there are usually plateaus, and it would be easier to live on that plateau than on the craggy parts leading up to it. Perhaps you could put some tundra, plains, and hills at the top
to change things up, and maybe allow some cities to be built up there.

BTW the Celts look like they are in Ireland...assuming their capitol is still Cardiff, it should be instead placed in Wales.

But the outline and placement of terrain is fantastic! Must have taken forever to do! I'm sure tons of people could use this.

	09-05-2001 17:53									#13
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What is all that desert doing in probably the most fertile lands of the world???? What happened to the Pampa humeda in Argentina?

Hell, other than that it looks brilliant to say the least... however, I can't seem to download it. Could someone e-mail it to the address in my "From" location field to the left please?

	10-05-2001 06:59									#15
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Other terrain details to consider:

The coastal part of West Africa is hilly and forested as far north as Senegal. Or at least was until this century. The Niger river has an inland delta (marsh) in Mali.

I'd add two more squares to Iberia (fatten it up to the west), altho this might just look odd because of the projection you based it on.

It's great to see so much interest in a map! Have pride in the results!

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	10-05-2001 10:11									#16
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All that it needs is better terrain placement.