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Kassiopeia
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Jyväskylä, Finland
Jul 2001
time: 07:16
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LordLMP is right - the Terrans are not to be trifled with. 
Especially regarding population - Earth had billions of people when the Chironians had only 10,000.
But, as far as I see it, when Titan declares independence, Coalition will dispatch a "pressure" fleet to try to intimidate the locals. When that fails, they will land some marines to try to take over the centre of new goverment, and to imprison rebel leader(s). But in this case the aforementioned operation fails, and EC has to withdraw as political pressure rises.
However, the Coalition Intelligence will work behind the scenes, orchestrating a new coup to re-establish Coalition control. 
President Tremaine is not a hidious villain, luckily 
Mostly the most important decisions are to be made by the Parliament and the Cabinet. Since these rely much on popularity - it is a democracy - , they will not engage in any ridiculous actions. But there are Coalition citizens who really don't prefer seeing all their colonies, a result of long hard work by their ancestors, getting independent all of a sudden.
Colonies are a large source of income, with minerals and local manufacturing centres, so Titan refraining from capitulating under Coalition rule means an economical impact, hampering war production among others. When you add the InEn conflict to that, it is likely that a recession lurks ahead. 
Last edited by Kassiopeia on 14-12-2001 at 02:59
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Kassiopeia
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Jyväskylä, Finland
Jul 2001
time: 07:16
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quote:
Originally posted by Sprayber
Kass: What would be the general attitude towards the Chiron factions by the Terran gov, and its people? And also the Aliens |
Well, at this time as the more open and less isolationistic Democratic Union has taken over the Cabinet, the presidency and the Parliament, attitudes are slowly shifting from slight xenophobia to friendliness and indifference, at least towards aliens. The Bree (The violent war-like ones IIRC?) once tried to invade Terra Nova (Capella), so they are of the aliens the ones they dislike.
So, at this time, excepting the Bree and perhaps the Progenitors, they have no opinion towards aliens.
The Chironians are a whole different matter altogether. At this time, as InEn is getting busy with Morganites, it is sure that all Chironians supporting Morgan, and Morganites themselves of course, will be disdained. Also, since the Chironians do not wish to unite under Terran Alliance, they are considered almost as purely rebellious colonies, not independent factions. They do tolerate most Chironian factions, however. For example the Gaians have many supporters at the Earth Parliament, in the Green Alliance party which is presented also in the Cabinet (Minister of Environment and Minister of Education).
So, at this time, attitudes towards out-Sol factions and aliens are somewhat indifferent - They are in a phase where they are making their judgement for the future.
If you behave, the Terrans will like you. If you start mocking about with them, you will have their hate on your neck for the next generations or so.
This was the Coalition POV, but I would say that the other members of Terran Alliance share these attitudes - The Combine of Mars might be somewhat more hostile towards some (They never liked the Morganites) and more friendly towards some factions (They share some of Free Drone ideals, for example).
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I definitly need to get the map done. Already, by working on it....people will have to rethink as whom the are bordered with, lol
Vega is like all the way in one direction, and Sirius all in another lol
Only maps i find with Capella is startrek ones....so don't know which star....... all the different maps have different names...... some not all stars shown........ so will use the maps with the most common stars indicated where a lot of sci fis use as valueble.
-LMP
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Okay, but i need the map now :P currently at co-op where i can use a good version of Photoshop, which as the layer feature....where i can use to trace in a sense :P
Meanwhile, I call dibs on the Warlock-class Destroyer pics from Babylon 5/Crusader, lol
does anyone have any pics of Starship Trooper ships? those maneuverable cruisers are cool 
As for te Terran Battlecruiser, found a good background pic of ship in Starcraft; Brood Wars....so will get around to extract it as i can't take a good screen shot. Can also extract a good background pic showing the Wraith Fighters
anyway, Starmap will be done tonite, I PROMISE THIS TIME, else, you can kick me out of the game.
Oh Silence, what is your vision of the Believers?
Other details would like to mention:
Chaos Weaponry are like Disruptors of most sci-fis....energy that disrupts the molecules...which fits the description of the Chaos Weaponry. The most common ship energy weaponry in among the Chiron factions.
Impact Weaponry is technicly Gauss Cannons/Rail Guns, according to the description. Pirates are known to use Impact weaponr extensively.
Plasma Shards is more like Plasma Cannons. Usually use for a good slug fest and planetary bombarment.
Will post some weapons stats later on the site, but not in numbers...just descriptively..... Impact can be just as powerful Chaos, just does different type of damage. Of course, for Impact to equal in power to Chaos, you need bigger Impact weapons then Chaos ones 
As for Missiles and Torpedoes...there is various types and sizes.
Missiles:
-Mini/Micro
-Small (Concussion Msl, Air-to-Air, Anti-Fighter, SAM, etc)
-Medium (Air-to-Ground, Anti-Ship, SAM, etc)
-Large (Air-to-Ground, Anti-Capital Ship, Surface-to-Space, etc)
-Planet/Ship Buster (Surface-to-Space, Space-to-Surface, Anti-Capital Ship, Long Range, etc)
-Short Range
-Medium Range
-Long Range
-Conventional
-Nuclear
-Fusion
-Antimatter
-Merculite
-MIRV
-EMP
-etc
Torpedoes: bigger boom, but shorter range then Missiles, in general
-Micro-Torpedoe = to Small or Medium Missiles (2-5 metres)
-Torpedoe = to very larg Missile (10-15 metres)
-Antimatter
-Plasma
-Photon
Bombs:
-Nuclear
-Fusion
-Antimatter
Mines:
-Nuclear
-Fusion
-Antimatter
Pulse Weaponry: Simple bolts of energy (Burst) or contineus (beam). Chaos/Disruptors generally does more damage. Common weaponry in the Terran Alliance and in Sol.
Ion Beam Weaponry: powerful carving beam weapon, which the weapons are big and requires a lot of power. usually need a large hull and a good reactor output to have these.... also common on Orbital Defence Platforms. Currently, only the Terran Alliance as recently created such weapons.... but according to Fraal, it one of the most common Capital Ship weapons develop by species in the Galaxy, yet not many have them i this corner of space. Possible to use as part of Planetary Defences or precise planetary Bombarment.
Phaser Weaponry: Only the Fraal is known to have such weapons...and quite poweful as it easily cut ships like butter.
there was only a few rare cases that the Fraal ships using them.....mainly destroying ships foolish enough to attack them or the Fraal helping helpless ships from raiders, pirates, whoever.
It is also capable in causing quite some Planetary damage.... there one interesting case where a Fraal ship fired its phasers into Planet to stablelize the tectonic plates, to make it suitable for colonization by humans
-LMP
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Well, maybe the more advance Sol ships use Pulse Weaponry as their main energy weapons...but other weapons in common use are Missiles, Torpedoes, Plasma Cannons and Impact Cannons. (terrans may call Chaos weaponry disruptors and impact railguns/gauss cannons.) As for the Merculite Missiles, will have an description later....but rather be mainly use by the Terran Alliance Fleet.
TAF is like the Star League Armed Forces in Battletech and the Sol factions the Houses.
Silence, in SMAC, the Believers consider Chiron as their Promise land.. so makes it odd that they decide to go on an Exodus.... unless they are only colonies and the Believer Headquarters is still on Chiron. Also, isn't bit odd to call an world New Jeruselem :P
Oh, thinking that the remaining factions that have holdngs in Alpha Centauri have an joint Chiron Defence Force....not a seperate organization, but joint thing. Chiron is considered the Homeworld of the SMAC Factions afterall....will help defend it, especially against the Proginators or whoever.
Currently, the factions who still have some holdings in the Alpha Centauri system i can see is the Peacekeepers, Morganites, Pirates, Data Angels(thinking that they have establish some new bases on Chiron after some big Exoduses by others...so they are not always nomadic ), Believers, Gaians, Cyborgs, Cult and maybe the Free Drones?
Spartans and Hive are fullout of alpha Centauri (well, i am sure some of their populaces didn't came along in their exoduses.... can't exactly Force your people to move out of their homes )
anyway, back to finishing map....
-LMP
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Christian State of America? where did you get that from???
Anyway, the map is done!!!!!!!
Not all of the stars are named....many are just numbers, or Ross, or Wolf, and etc........
Did name all the stars that have bit more normal names and used a lot in sci-fis........ not all stars are shown either, as it would be way to crowded :P
Kass, I suggest you get another Star then Capella for Terran Alliance colony :P pretty far from Sol i tell ya, in comprison to all of the stars on the map :P
question, is Alderamin Alderan? just wondering.....as i only find Alderamin in most maps i got, and not Alderan..... Alderan only in the startrek one :P
The Travel Time table still not done. After we figure out what systems the factions controls....i will color code it on the map.
Oh yes, the map isn't 100% accurate, concerning distance wise on the map..... as it is a 2d map. Alpha Centauri is still the closest, dispite bot being that way on the map.
anyway, here we go..................
-LMP
 Attachment: bacmap1.zip
This has been downloaded 17 time(s).
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Here is the Titans hope pic........
-LMP
Attachment: titanshope.zip
This has been downloaded 2 time(s).
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Can we put a pause on the Game please and figure out the Territory? Also, may have to modify histories a bit.
Okay, just to say.... the Closer systems would end up being taken by the first few Factions that left/started colonizing from Chiron... so the first dibs on the systems are University, Morganites, SPartans, HIve, Peacekeepers(Alpha Centauri area?), Gaians and Free Drones (Vega area?)
So whatever is left nearby the Cyborgs and Believers can take..... while the Cult is stuck on Chiron. Pirates and Data Angels mainly integrated by then and spread all over the place in small outposts, nomadic wanderer ships (Titan A.E. human mix match wanderer ships).
I reserve Lalande 21128 for seperate faction (Lalande scenario in Civ2: Test of Time) ...star not marked yet
I think the Terran Alliance should get Wolf 359 atleast....as Capella is way to freakin far.
Can share solar systems too people, or even worlds.
I don't mind create fictionus stars, as long they are far from Sol....which would have too anyway. The big name stars in the Starmap will not be changed for reference and star positioning sake.
After we get the territories figured out properly, then i can star positioning the Aliens...... mainly the known alien space anyway.
For the ones want to have pre-space aliens on their worlds or whatever...tell me and don't go overboard with "oh, i found a world with some cool neet technology", that becomes unoriginal quick....... iwhile i am in the same page here....no found FTL techs, except maybe just to make the engines more stable or whatever...but yet no faster or no major difference to the Chiron FTL or the Sol FTL...... all other exotic kind of FTLs are reserved to the big high tech aliens like the Proginators and the Fraal.
I know the Free Drones world in Vega found a dorment society of Androids....which later on get some problems with, but improves the faction robotic technology....which improves their Industrial Automation techs in turn boosting faster and more efficient space construction.
anyway, not to many aliens in the human space area please!!!!
also, people, send stuff too beyondalphacentauri so i can put on the site!!!
I know, will have seperate sites for your factions, but would like Logos of your faction, general list of holdings and fleet, definitions on some things so i can put in the glossary, descriptions of some aliens, etc.............
the BeyondAlphaCentauri site is to be the MAIN site....not [Lord LMP]'s site........... 
Oh, as for out of the game request, i am LMP, period tired of Lord now....but can't exactly create a new logon. and the [ ] is just because i originally already created a LordLMP account, but got screwed up, so end up needing to create another one.......now i wish i used a different name............. oh well.
-LMP
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quote:
Originally posted by History Guy
Lord MP, if one looks at the Believers piece in the Datalinks in the game one will see that Sister Miriam's place of origin is "The Christian States of America". |
What? where in the datalinks does it say that? Everywhere i looked, like Firaxis' alpha centauri website, she is from United States, not Christian States....such a country doesn't excist even in the SMAC universe. Also, don't remember seing leader profiles IN the game anywhere in the Datalinks..... what version do you have?
Anyway, don't you scare me with this Christian States of America nonsence. Bad enough we have some crazy Fundmentalist countries in the Middle East, don't want to have a Christian one in North America. if such a thing ever exists, the world is doomed.
-LMP
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Sprayber
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Dixie
Oct 2000
time: 23:16
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quote:
Originally posted by [LordLMP]
What? where in the datalinks does it say that? Everywhere i looked, like Firaxis' alpha centauri website, she is from United States, not Christian States....such a country doesn't excist even in the SMAC universe. Also, don't remember seing leader profiles IN the game anywhere in the Datalinks..... what version do you have?
Anyway, don't you scare me with this Christian States of America nonsence. Bad enough we have some crazy Fundmentalist countries in the Middle East, don't want to have a Christian one in North America. if such a thing ever exists, the world is doomed.
-LMP |
I think the reference to Christian States of America was back when the factions was still called the Conclave. On all the official sites it lists the US but in the game it says Christian. It may have not made it to some of the later versions or foreign versions but this is what my stats for the believers say. I copied them straight out of the file. Apparantly some kind of terrible event happened in the US. Rememeber Lal talking about the Americans sliding into despotism? 
#DATALINKS1
^LEADER: {Sister Miriam Godwinson}
^BACKGROUND: {Christian States of America, Unity Psych Chaplain}
^AGENDA: {Life of Religious Worship}
^TECH: {Social Psych}
^
I'm religious, but I want no part of a government that has anything to do with religion. It just causes too much trouble.
Its a good idea to stop posting until we get everthing straigtened out. I'm going to keep writing, but I won't post anything until things are staight. shouldn't take long to figure out territory.
LMP: If you send a PM to MarkG or another admin, they can change your login for you. Oh, and your work on this is very much appreaciated. 
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14-12-2001 02:53
*ahem big hint*
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