24-11-2001 01:38									#31
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I believe economic growth in the EU is higher than in the USA. Especcially France is doing particullary well (consumer spendings had the biggest grow in a long time this month), but in general Europe isn't in a recession, while the USA is. So compared to the other two main economies, the USA and Japan, Europe is doing remarkably well.

quote: Europe is a entire continent. Not a uniform economic and political region. 'Europe' in that sence is still in the heads of some EU-airheads. One shouldn't mix apples and oranges in an analysis...

America is an entire continent. Not a uniform economic and political region. 'America' in that sence is still in the heads of some US-airheads. One shouldn't mix apples and oranges in an analysis...

	26-11-2001 13:40									#32
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"Don't you worry Roland, it's not the first time a austrian wants to join Europe under one flag..."

Yeah Kropo, I'll send my Sturmtruppen after YOU!

The EU is about half a federation, and on certain issues (from telecom regulation to trade agreements) it is one entity. Like it or loath it, but don't give me that "airhead" crap when you're trying to check out of reality.

	26-11-2001 14:08									#33
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what do you guys think about the next two phases of european integration? (political - military).


Do you want them to happen?

I know I do.

(BTW by military I don't just mean the European Rapid Reaction Force which is already in the works).

	26-11-2001 14:13									#34
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I'm not asking about the way they would happen (federal - state like etc) but if you want them to.

Or are you happy with an integrated market and that's all?

	26-11-2001 15:05									#35
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quote: The EU is about half a federation[ ...] Like it or loath it, but don't give me that "airhead" crap when you're trying to check out of reality.

It's still only half a federation. And as long as it's only half a federation I woun't accept general statements like the ones in those two articles. The countries and regions are still to different both in their economies and their institutions to say stuff like 'Europe is this and Europe is that'. Europe might turn out a federation in the future with homogenized laws to a full extent. One may think what he or she likes about that but acting like it's already so because of some laws in a bit premature in my humble opinion.

	26-11-2001 15:24									#36
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All depends on the issue. Some general statements about "the US" or "Austria" wouldn't work either. Especially in federal systems.

"federation in the future with homogenized laws to a full extent."

Ehm... in that case, it would be a centralist state, not a federation.

Now, depending on the issue: statements about _the_ european labour market or law are nonsense because the common regulations are minimal and the actually existing systems are quite different.

"because of some laws"

I think you are slightly underestimating the size and relevance of EU law, esp in all things economic...

	26-11-2001 18:16									#37
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quote: I think you are slightly underestimating the size and relevance of EU law, esp in all things economic...

Slightly? He's completely clueless

	26-11-2001 18:21									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Bob Dornan Cut taxes, more individual freedoms to the people, build up military, participate more strongly on American and pro freedom intiatives worldwide.

no way. we're gonna invade you and corrupt your way of life.

	26-11-2001 18:39									#39
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"corrupt your way of life."

How would that be possible ?

	26-11-2001 18:46									#40
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quote: "corrupt your way of life." How would that be possible ?

Take away their bible's?

	26-11-2001 23:18									#41
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Why hasn't someone answered my question?


Do you consider it too dangerous?

	26-11-2001 23:30									#42
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this question: Or are you happy with an integrated market and that's all?


I'm hoping, and expecting, to see a European (Con)federation come to life. One army, foreign and monetary policy, and most of the rest up to the individual nations.

	27-11-2001 01:29									#43
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Sure European integration is a positive thing. However, I do fear that some of the convergence might be for the worse. Say Sweden might decide to impose its 60% tax rates on all the other countries in the interest of curbing 'unfair tax competition'.

If the EU follows free market policies in its integration, I am all for it.

	27-11-2001 06:22									#44
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Central eurocom: a useless and stupid saying

	27-11-2001 17:13									#45
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Bob...do you think 90% of Europe is made up off commies? If so, then the reds did win the Cold War

	27-11-2001 23:07									#46
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quote: I think you are slightly underestimating the size and relevance of EU law, esp in all things economic...

Ah you 'blue banana'-people . The structure of the economy is still different in many ways. General statements about investments in information technology is probably not saying much. My guess is that there's way to much differences between the center and the periphery in the EU.

	27-11-2001 23:24									#47
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I say Mark L should become the leader of Europe.

	28-11-2001 06:09									#48
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Can't be any worse than Hitler.

Can he?

	28-11-2001 07:19									#49
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Only if someone like Boob becomes your president

	28-11-2001 08:32									#50
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...hitlers' left wing to mr dornan

	28-11-2001 08:42									#51
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so if there was a single miltary, would the greeks be willing to send their countymen into combat in defense of the falkland islands or to ireland (who is also in the mix)? or would the brits send their troops if turkey made a concerted push on cyprus? i hope people looking back in 50 years will see this time as a nessarcery evil on the way to a united europe, but it's going to be interesting to live through

	28-11-2001 08:44									#52
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reds, very much true. hitler was to the left of marx.

	28-11-2001 08:56									#53
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mr dornan, strange times 1900-1930, great minds like marx and trotsky reacted to years of cruel Tzarist rule by going off the deep end with their theories

	28-11-2001 09:08									#54
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What will be the universal language?

	28-11-2001 09:41									#55
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luuurve!

	28-11-2001 09:49									#56
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hitler was

vegetarian

big government

pro gun control

high taxes

whiny about negotiations

gay

used "secret service" for personal political gains

anti Christian, anti Jewish, anti Religion except his own bizarre nazism religion

all these are left wing characterictistcs

	28-11-2001 13:10									#57
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"General statements about investments in information technology is probably not saying much. My guess is that there's way to much differences between the center and the periphery in the EU."

Just like with different US states. Or swedish regions. Or is IT investment in Stockholm the same as in Lappland and Norbotten ?

	28-11-2001 14:04									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Bob Dornan hitler was vegetarian big government pro gun control high taxes whiny about negotiations gay used "secret service" for personal political gains anti Christian, anti Jewish, anti Religion except his own bizarre nazism religion all these are left wing characterictistcs

Gay? What was Eva Brown?

	28-11-2001 14:33									#59
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His dog ?

	28-11-2001 19:51									#60
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There's a book out that tries to investigate the sexual orientation(s) of A. Hitler. From what I read on the issue there's a couple of indications of homosexual encounters (I do belive it was under Hitlers 'artistic' period). Some, at least, of those should have been a way to make a living. Ie Hitler would at some occasions been a male prostitute. The evidence isn't conclusive however.

My guess is that Hitler had some 'perversions' that stopped him from having a 'normal' relationship with women. That's not the same as being gay however.

Bob Dornans 'left wing characterictistcs' is pure BS. Mostly the effect of his own narrowmindedness than any real knowledge on the subject.