23-11-2001 18:35									#1
	Interesting BUG... The Revenge of Hammurabi Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

So, I'm playing the Persians on the same continent as the Zulus and Babylonians. An incredibly naive Shaka offers to trade me Iron... Well you know what happened next, an Immortal storm washed over the continent first eliminating the Zulus and then complete my manifest destiny by wiping out the babylonians... or so I thought...

Walked through babylon and took out all their cities on my continent. But I didn't get the "We've eliminated the forgotten babylonians" prompt.

Odd I thought, oh well perhaps they have an overseas city or something. Even though the continent was too far away from other land masses at this part of the game. Still I thought the AI may have a few tricks we don't know about.

So not really caring about them anymore I sued for peace. Bluffing that I was already at their gates (I really had no idea where they were now), they handed over all their gold, techs and world maps.

Here's where I knew something was wrong, because their world map didn't show any babylonian cities.

So the game goes on another couple of hundred years, I make contact with the civ's on the other side of the world, get all their maps and still no Babylonians.

All this time I could still access the diplomatic screen, talk with them, do deals with them, although they had 0 gold, no techs, luxuries, etc. The only thing they had to offer was their maps and they didn't show anything.

So another couple of hundred years pass and lo and behold I stumble on a lone babylonian galley parked in aztech waters! It had one hit point left and just stayed there, not moving around at all.

So this is where that bastard hammurabi has been hiding all these years, on this galley! So I decided to finish the job I should have done long ago, and I sink his galley. The message pops up, we have destroyed the babylonian empire etc. Cool I think, that's a bit odd. And went on playing for another couple of hours.

This is where the revenge of Hammurabi comes in. It turns out all of my save games (including auto saves) after sinking his last galley are corrupt! When I load them I get the message: DATAIO Operating System Error: CITY

So now I've got to go back and replay a couple hunded years, and make sure that galley sticks around for the whole game, otherwise I'm screwed!

I can attach a save game if anyone is interested, or if FIRAXIS wants to check out this bug...

GJ

	23-11-2001 18:59									#2
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Here's the savegame:

Attachment: beforesinking.zip
This has been downloaded 9 time(s).

	23-11-2001 19:20									#3
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That's one funny bug!

"Sire, oh emperor of the mighty babylonian civilizations, what shall we do now?"
"hmmm. well, I guess we row, row, row the boat?"

Zap

	23-11-2001 19:23									#4
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try to give him one of your cities,
then sink the ship and take the city after that.

what happens in that case ?

	24-11-2001 16:56									#5
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Elsewhere, I've seen reported that sinking a ship carrying a settler causes weird problems. Maybe that happened to you.

	24-11-2001 19:00									#6
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Could you attach one of the corrupt SAVs as well?

	24-11-2001 23:23									#7
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I've checked that file. The Gallay contains one spearman and one Settler!!!. Something must be wrong how it handles the AI when all cities has been destroyed, but a Settler is left (maybe at sea (can't find a good spot for a new city?)) (Or has tried to found a city in the water (therefore the CITY error))

	24-11-2001 23:29									#8
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this is know by firaxis and is to be fixed.

if the last unit is a settler on a boat/transport when you kill it, it causes a -1 value, which corrupts the saved games. they said the patch will allow you to fix this issue, and if you hold onto your corrupt saves you can fix them too.

	24-11-2001 23:55									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Nemo this is know by firaxis and is to be fixed. if the last unit is a settler on a boat/transport when you kill it, it causes a -1 value, which corrupts the saved games. they said the patch will allow you to fix this issue, and if you hold onto your corrupt saves you can fix them too.

So, if the Savegeme is edited to change the settler to another unit you can kill it?

	25-11-2001 15:06									#10
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Tried this...

I founded a new city and then gave it to the babylonians for their world map.

Waited a turn

The new city did not show up as the capital city. So I declared war and sunk the galley.

waited a turn

The new city still did not show up as a capital city. I could enter diplomacy as normal, but when I tried espionage (to look at the city) the game just flashed the screen and went on to my next movable unit.

So the phantom capital of babylon is still there... somewhere. Although i admit a clever strategy of when you can't beat 'em... just go extra-dimensional on 'em.

I'm glad to hear this is an acknowledged bug and they intend to fix it in the (ever more conspicuous by it's absence) "patch".

GJ

	25-11-2001 22:56									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Gramphos So, if the Savegeme is edited to change the settler to another unit you can kill it?

i doubt you'd even be able to load the game without error. because that would create two existing units (boat + unit) that exist without a civilization. that *might* be just as bad. However, if you can edit the game so that BOTH the boat and the unit are either exterminated or changed to a diverent (existing) civ, it might work

	26-11-2001 23:25									#12
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MY question is why the units didn't disappear after the last city was taken...

My three possible answers:
1) The units just happened to all be "free" units, like some of the ones you find in huts (no support costs).
2) The units popped up as the civ was killed, but since it was on a galley, it couldn't move across the deeper waters.
3) The computer hates to lose just as much as we do.

IF CIV_GETS_DEFEATED
THEN
CRASH_COMPUTER

	27-11-2001 00:30									#13
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quote: Originally posted by cassembler MY question is why the units didn't disappear after the last city was taken... My three possible answers: 1) The units just happened to all be "free" units, like some of the ones you find in huts (no support costs). 2) The units popped up as the civ was killed, but since it was on a galley, it couldn't move across the deeper waters. 3) The computer hates to lose just as much as we do. IF CIV_GETS_DEFEATED THEN CRASH_COMPUTER

The reason is that
II LAST_CITY_LOST AND HAS_SETTLER
THEN
FOUND_CITY

So the Settler tries to found a new city in the sea.

	27-11-2001 00:51									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Nemo i doubt you'd even be able to load the game without error. because that would create two existing units (boat + unit) that exist without a civilization. that *might* be just as bad. However, if you can edit the game so that BOTH the boat and the unit are either exterminated or changed to a diverent (existing) civ, it might work

I've added code to Civ3CopyTool's SaveGame reader that may correct corrupt SAV-files (and it works) I'll post v0.73.5 soon. (So if you have the corrupt (after sinking SAVS left you can kick Hamurabi out of there))

Stay tuned to the Files Forum.

	27-11-2001 01:03									#15
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The version is now posted
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=31391

Hope you have your corrupt savs left.

	28-11-2001 01:04									#16
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I once had English hanging on like this... luckily I did not find their boat-it was before I read this tread- and so my saves are OK