27-11-2001 14:17									#1
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It seems like they have made the same mistake with the reputation part as those ctp programmers did I just started a new game and was friends with everybody. Then suddenly those damned Germans attacked me with any reason. The next turn I wanted to make a deal with the Indians, but the very first thing they said was that I have betrayed the Germans, but I have never had a single unit in Germany and I haven't even attack any German units at that time.

This is something that also needs to be fixed, cuz I don't see any reason why I should loose reputation because of being betrayed

	27-11-2001 17:05									#2
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Civ3 would be a better game if they adapted a "reputation concept" like in Europa Universalis.

	27-11-2001 18:03									#3
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Maybe, have never seen it...at least not yet

	28-11-2001 04:49									#4
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quote: Originally posted by ADG It seems like they have made the same mistake with the reputation part as those ctp programmers did I just started a new game and was friends with everybody. Then suddenly those damned Germans attacked me with any reason. The next turn I wanted to make a deal with the Indians, but the very first thing they said was that I have betrayed the Germans, but I have never had a single unit in Germany and I haven't even attack any German units at that time. This is something that also needs to be fixed, cuz I don't see any reason why I should loose reputation because of being betrayed

There are other things you can betray the Germans with besides attacking them. One way: You make a military alliance with the Germans against the Zulus. Then before the 20-turn military alliance is over you make peace with the Zulus. By making bringing the Germans into a war & making peace with the enemy behind their back you've betrayed them.

Using nukes will also hurt your reputation.

	28-11-2001 07:59									#5
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The Indians were probably in kahoots with the Germans all along. It's called Politics.

The good news is, you can play by the same rules!
Well, I hope it's good news -- if the game gets too easy, without any 'surprises', it may become less 'FUN'.

Manipulate them on the political/trade/battle front. You can do it better than they can.

	28-11-2001 08:54									#6
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Does the computer players have reputation?
if they dont this game will make me very mad....... until civ4

	28-11-2001 13:49									#7
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I asked about this b4 and even asked Firaxis but so far no response, on how to determine your reputation or if your actions will affect it, except for that 20 year rule.

	28-11-2001 15:56									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Pyrodrew Using nukes will also hurt your reputation.

Yeah, but anyone who complains about my ICBMs knows what they can expect.

	28-11-2001 17:26									#9
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If this is indeed the case (relations insensitive to the war starter) then it would maybe be an explanation for the fact that I can raze, loot, attack and betray all my neighbours with impunity. =]

	28-11-2001 22:37									#10
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You can also "betray" an AI by agreeing to a trade embargo against a third party and then going ahead and trading with the third party. Wandering around on their territory after they told you to leave is also seen as a betrayal of them by you. This one can be tough if you suddenly find yourself among newly founded cities. Nonetheless, the other AI will act as though you started the war.

	30-11-2001 01:16									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Blaupanzer You can also "betray" an AI by agreeing to a trade embargo against a third party and then going ahead and trading with the third party.

Resources are untradeable (go grey) when you have an embargo against another Civ or vice-versa. Thus, I figured that is what the embargo was limited to. Making the resources only "go grey" & leaving Techs, Cities, & other things still tradeable would be misleading at to what the embargo was for. When an embargo is in place either everything should "go grey" or only those things which are untradeable should "go grey".

Diplomacy Bug/Flaw - The manual also says, "even allies are likely to ask for some compensation for the loss of trade." I have NEVER had any AI Civ ask for compensation for an embargo. Either they refuse to because they are currently trading with that Civ and/or have a MPP... OR they accept without asking for ANY additional "compensation". The AI Civs never ask me to embargo anyone either... the only things they ever ask from me is for peace, tribute, or my world map.