29-11-2001 07:17									#1
	How do I get a conquered Civilization to stay dead? Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

When I play Civ3, conquered civilizations keep reappearing from the dead - often on new continents or islands when they had no sea travel technology.

Is the re a switch, an option, a fix, or a kludge that I can use so that once the Greeks are dead, they STAY dead? Help help.

	29-11-2001 07:41									#2
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The Greeks will never die...

	29-11-2001 07:45									#3
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I believe there is an option that will not allow defeated civs to restart, not totally sure about this.

(I cant remember if I saw it in Civ3 or not, but I know in my games civs dont re-appear)

	29-11-2001 07:55									#4
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I'm not entirely sure- at first I thought it was just a matter of a settler or two slipping through the nets (the AI builds 'em like there's no tomorrow as it is), but I recently played a game and the Germans managed to get away when I was damn sure I had gotten them all.

At any rate, it is possible to squash them- I've done it to a number of civilizations, but I just don't know what exactly is different...

	29-11-2001 09:11									#5
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They probobly just have a settler walking around. They don't come back like they did in Civ2. U know you got them when it says the Greeks have been defeated and than you can see the big picture.

	29-11-2001 09:25									#6
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Civs in this game DO come back if they are killed early on- that means that a new city appears, they keep half their tech (or all of it, not sure) and get 100 gold. Like in civ2, if you kill them later in the game, they don't come back. Killing them means destroying all cities and all settlers.

	29-11-2001 09:29									#7
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quote: when it says the Greeks have been defeated

It must be a bug when the game says this.
Like I said, the Greeks CANNOT be defeated, they are completely invincible...

I'm just talkin' smack of course...

	29-11-2001 11:15									#8
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Civs in this game DO come back if they are killed early on- that means that a new city appears, they keep half their tech (or all of it, not sure) and get 100 gold. Like in civ2, if you kill them later in the game, they don't come back. Killing them means destroying all cities and all settlers.

In one of my game not only did they reappear, but w/ 6 archer to counter attack.

	29-11-2001 11:21									#9
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with 6 archers? you sure you had scouted out all their towns?

One game I played, it was against the greeks, and I had thought I destroyed them completly... only to see they had a whole new capital, but very far away from their initial starting position. That was early on in the game, so it's much like the above post pointed out about civs coming back.

Then again maybe the greeks can't die......

	29-11-2001 11:38									#10
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They not only survive, they teleport.

This is bad. When they are dead they should damned well STAY dead. Does anyone have a clue how to KEEP them dead? Help help.

	29-11-2001 11:39									#11
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I was the aztecs so I easily had the area scouted. It was playing on diety so the amount of forces they get could be based on the difficulty level? Besides if they had those forces I think they would have used them while I was razing there cities.

	29-11-2001 11:48									#12
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I've got a theory on this. I think when you kill their last city, it uses the old civ2 rule to restart dead civs automatically, but its based on available space and their current map (and maybe game year). It may also be only a chance to restart and not a sure thing.

I know it happens though, cause Ive had civs on my continent in the ancient age go from dead to restarting on another continent when there was no way they could get there, I only could cause of the lighthouse :P I think the key is I had traded them maps though.

Like I said its just a theory, I could be totally wrong.

	29-11-2001 11:54									#13
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I don't think the restarts are random...I've tried it in 3 different game and in all three games they restarded a square or two by where there razed capital was.

And I know they restarted because they would take there former capitals name.

	29-11-2001 12:10									#14
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That means nothing- I razed London last game but left a large majority of English towns alone. After a little while they recolonized it.

My guess is that they know where an advantageous site is, and each time they build a city they run through the name list from the top and use any unused ones.

	29-11-2001 15:39									#15
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Early kills will seemingly always be restarted. If you wipe them as soon as you discover their capital with your first warrior then they even restart stronger than they could have been through natural expansion. Sometimes they will restart very lose to their original position, other times further away. What I hate most is that the "new" civ start will remember your eradication of their former slf and hate you for the rest of the game.

More interestingly, I manage to eliminate the Aztecs in a recent game but they refused to die. Exchanging maps I could tell the had no city anywhere on the board yet they kept their diplomat and continued to have a culture score. Finally (some 100+ turns later) I found a single galley aimlessly sculling around offshore. Somehow this unit was keeping the civ alive and retaining a big culture score. Maybe it had a settler on board but it never landed anywhere.

	29-11-2001 18:31									#16
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quote: How do I get a conquered Civilization to stay dead?

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