29-11-2001 17:42									#1
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They are the bane of my Civ 3 life. They are always so aggressive. They attack me when we have supposedly signed a peace agreement. Come on, leave me alone!

	29-11-2001 17:55									#2
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In my games the Germans, Russians and Romans always seem to get themselves exterminated (and not by my hand either). I think their aggressiveness is their weakness.

	29-11-2001 18:05									#3
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I love the Ruskies! I always trade with them, swap resources etc...

	29-11-2001 18:08									#4
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I know what you mean. Just when I thought we've reached an understanding and some sort of stalemate Otto turns up and razes my best city.

So, "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em".

-Now playing as Germany, those tanks are quite handy.

	29-11-2001 18:11									#5
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I have quite alot of troubles getting units afetr I get the techs. I can just never get the resources... any tips?

	29-11-2001 18:18									#6
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Hi Matt,

I'm the last person who should be dishing out any Civ advice. The only reason I can get hold of resources I need is because I'm still playing on Chieftain.

I keep trying Warlord (German or otherwise) and just get pasted every time. I really do suck.

I love this game, but I was a lot better at Civ II.

	29-11-2001 18:21									#7
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I have found that if I mine any metal resources they do seem to disappear much more often than if just leave them alone.

	29-11-2001 18:23									#8
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i havent had any problems with the germans yet. but usually i go war mode and wipe em out before they can touch me

	29-11-2001 18:29									#9
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As long as you are stronger than they are, they know how to behave.

They are my neighbours this time around and I must admit I had to execute a few corrective actions to get them to their proper size. =]

	29-11-2001 19:12									#10
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Usually I am culturaly stronger and more scientifically advanced. But I never have a huge army, I think this is where I am going wrong.

	29-11-2001 19:40									#11
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quote: Usually I am culturaly stronger and more scientifically advanced. But I never have a huge army, I think this is where I am going wrong.

Yeah, I think it is.

Its amazing to me how other countries treat me when I have a large army. My strategy for a large part of the game is to keep a very small army, work on city improvements, and buy allies when I need them. During this time, I really have to be careful when I'm dealing with other countries. I try to trade with my neighbors as much as possible to keep them on my good side.

Now, when I start getting tanks though and 6 or 7 of my cities can churn them out every 4 turns and I have 40 - 50 tanks rolling around, the AI is a little bit nicer.

They agree to things much more easily, and at a lower cost, and now all of them are at least polite and the ones I have MPP (I think thats what they're called) are gracious, even if they are close to me in culture or size.

So basically, they tend to leave me alone if I'm nice and small, and they tend to leave me alone if I'm big. Soooo.. Be nice and small or big and you should be ok. (Except for the Zulus. They are just huge pains. I hate the Zulu!)

	29-11-2001 19:43									#12
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i prefer to keep a good army the whole game, that way you can push around the weak civs for what you want you dont have to bother with being nice

	29-11-2001 20:12									#13
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Germans are agressive and have the Panzer - bad news - that's why I like to play them

I think the Germans are Civ3's Mongols-with-nukes.

	30-11-2001 01:31									#14
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Though all other AIs seem to be aware of the Panzers coming for their butts in the future, and so, Germans never survived until they could build them in any of my games, totally without my assistance btw

	30-11-2001 01:41									#15
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Germans is the side I usually play.

	30-11-2001 02:16									#16
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quote: Originally posted by G.A Though all other AIs seem to be aware of the Panzers coming for their butts in the future, and so, Germans never survived until they could build them in any of my games, totally without my assistance btw

I have never had the AI wipe out another civilization by itself. I wonder why that is. The AI usually fights a puny little war and then demands peace.

I guess I might have something to do with it because I have a tendency to take over weaker civs. I might have to try a game where I avoid war, but then again....

	30-11-2001 03:17									#17
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In my games, that's usually how it works. I generally get an ally in on a war to distract my target civ (hopefully on the opposite side of them, so they don't get my targetted cities/resources). Then I chew up from one end, the ally from the other. Once I gain my objectives, I make peace and get all the tribute (instant preferred over per-turn) I can. Then I go back to being a builder. Meanwhile my ally will continue to wage war, often eliminating that civ. Meanwhile I have a dozen or two extra turns of peace and I've also gotten some goodies.

quote: Originally posted by mr.buddylee I have never had the AI wipe out another civilization by itself. I wonder why that is. The AI usually fights a puny little war and then demands peace. I guess I might have something to do with it because I have a tendency to take over weaker civs. I might have to try a game where I avoid war, but then again....

	30-11-2001 13:57									#18
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i hate bismarck so much that i'm gonna switch to playing germans only. bastards are just too belligerent. shaka is also kinda painful but not too bad. english are just plain aryan and americans are really hyper all the time. still, no one beats bismarck...that guy just craves for blood.

as for AI wars, they are really brutal and wiping out is more than common. usually they gang on one civ and rip it to shreds in 10-15 turns, then colonize and repop its territory.

late games battles are incredibly cool. watching massive tank battles is like watching a good war movie, bombers providing for some carpet bombing effects. when they fix air superiority, it will be perfect....

	03-12-2001 00:41									#19
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By the way, English are much more annoying if you live near them due to their sheer Man-O-War obsession which leads to the daaaaaaaaaaaaaamn long turns

	03-12-2001 00:50									#20
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Germans aggressive? Well yes they are, but are we forgeting the zulus? I have never lived near the zulus without having a war with them at least by the end of the middle ages... Now I just get everyone to go to way with the Zulus early... just to be safe.

	03-12-2001 02:39									#21
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forget 2 things.

If you have a spy in the cities of the other empirs your military advisor will tell you how your military compaires to theirs. Always shoot for average or stronger...

ALSO dont forget to draft a few conscripts if you need to look bigger than what you really are. The other empires dont know the difference between a conscript defender than a fully trained one... You may be a paper dragon but it helps to keep those pesky germans and zulus off your back untill you can get a real military force up....