01-12-2001 08:25									#1
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In your opinion, which US President has been the best, overall, and why?

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My preference would probably be Calvin Coolidge, simply because he didn't do much - and I love is quote: "The business of America is business."

However, from the list above, I would probably have to go with Thomas Jefferson. A good Southerner

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FDR. Seems decent.

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Ah, FDR, the man credited with ending the Depression and beating the Nazis and Japanese.

I'm not a big fan, personally - considering he violated the Constitution at every turn, abused his power, and got us into a war where 430,000 Americans died.

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Harrison.

The only good President is a dead President.

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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd Ah, FDR, the man credited with ending the Depression and beating the Nazis and Japanese. I'm not a big fan, personally - considering he violated the Constitution at every turn, abused his power, and got us into a war where 430,000 Americans died.

Sp you'd rather save 430000 Americans than have a free, nonNazi Europe and thus saving at least another 12 million innocent civilians?

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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd I'm not a big fan, personally - considering he violated the Constitution at every turn, abused his power, and got us into a war where 430,000 Americans died.

That S.O.B.. How dare he defend our country.

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Floyd: AHAHAHAHAH!

FDR got us into a war? Read your history books. The Japanese got us into a war. If FDR hadn't proposed to Congress, the American citizens would've had his head. 430,000 Americans is, I think, a fair price to pay, considering everything else. And yes, I would volunteer to be one of those 430,000 if it meant freedom.

BTW, my pick was Bill Clinton.

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Jimmy Carter. An honest man.

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quote: Sp you'd rather save 430000 Americans than have a free, nonNazi Europe and thus saving at least another 12 million innocent civilians?

Yes, I'd be willing to save 430,000 innocent Americans over 12 million foreign civilians.

As to the FDR thing, there's already a lot of discussion going on over who got us into what, WW2-wise, in a couple other threads on here...suffice it to say he greatly provoked both Germany and Japan.

I'd agree, MBloom, that Jimmy Carter was a decent one in that he was honest - disagree with everything he did, pretty much, but he's a good, moral, and honest man, so he gets points in my book. Definitely NOT a sleazeball politician

And Ramo,

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quote: And yes, I would volunteer to be one of those 430,000 if it meant freedom.

I might've too...unfortunately, many of those 430,000 were NOT volunteers

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Reagan! In my lifetime at least. Great statesman.

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Indeed. Reagan WAS a great statesman. Used to be my favorite to before I became Libertarian.

Too bad he didn't like Congress very much

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Washington, I guess, because he turned down the chance to be king. (By contrast, several recent ones have acted as if they were kings.) Coolidge would be my choice for best of the 20th century, for the reasons David gave.

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Reagan. FDR was okay, very liberal but won the war and increased our military hugely

Winston a EuroCap

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Clinton won the war in Haiti, does that make him good Bob? hehe sorry obvious troll

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One must not forgot that WWII was the primary Depression solution. New Deal had made some enhancements, but it wasn't until weapon fabrics started producing day and night that the unemployment rate declined to sensible standards.

Sadly, war is often the factor which makes the wheel spinning again.

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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd However, from the list above, I would probably have to go with Thomas Jefferson. A good Southerner

Such a good Southerner.

"Some men look at constitutions with sanctimonious reverence, and deem them like the ark of the Covenant, too sacred to be touched. They ascribe to the men of the preceding age a wisdom more than human, and suppose what they did to be beyond amendment... laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind... as that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, institutions must advance also, to keep pace with the times.... We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain forever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors." - Thomas Jefferson

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Wasn't referring to you, left wing beatle slave. DAVID FLOYD

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I like Washington for obvious reasons, Wilson, and LBJ.

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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd My preference would probably be Calvin Coolidge, simply because he didn't do much - and I love is quote: "The business of America is business." However, from the list above, I would probably have to go with Thomas Jefferson. A good Southerner

Coolidge in my opinion is the most fun President to learn about, but really, alls he did was step off the train before the big crash.

"I do not wish to run for a second term"
"You lose"
"The business of America is business"

Brilliant!

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That ol DP, just got me....

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Teddy Roosevelt is my favorite.

A man who overcame childhood illness, became a tough law man in the west, police commish of NY (and an honest reformer of it, to boot) assistant sec of the Navy, helped form and lead the Rough Riders in combat, served as a fine and honest president, was first pres to go under water in submarine, first to have an auto, led the USA into a great era of properity and expansion, brokered the peace between Japan and Russia in 1905 (and won a Nobel Peace Prize for it), was a family man who truly loved his kids, turned his back on Republicans to run as independant when he disagreed with their policies, was fearless big game hunter, so many things!

Truly a great man.

And was a New Yorker!

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quote: Originally posted by Chris 62 Teddy Roosevelt is my favorite. A man who overcame childhood illness, became a tough law man in the west, police commish of NY (and an honest reformer of it, to boot) assistant sec of the Navy, helped form and lead the Rough Riders in combat, served as a fine and honest president, was first pres to go under water in submarine, first to have an auto, led the USA into a great era of properity and expansion, brokered the peace between Japan and Russia in 1905 (and won a Nobel Peace Prize for it), was a family man who truly loved his kids, turned his back on Republicans to run as independant when he disagreed with their policies, was fearless big game hunter, so many things! Truly a great man. And was a New Yorker!

Not to mention that day he got shot and went out and delivered his speech anyway. And he damn near invented the notion of conservation in mainstream American thought.

We may not agree on much in politics, but I second your pick, Chris. Teddy all the way.

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Calvin Coolidge - in a time when the Fabian socialists had made great strides growing government, Coolidge slowed them down enormously. It was easy for the early presidents to keep government small since they started out with small governments.

Orange -

quote: Coolidge in my opinion is the most fun President to learn about, but really, alls he did was step off the train before the big crash. "I do not wish to run for a second term" "You lose" "The business of America is business" Brilliant!

The stock market and it's crash was his responsibility? Could be, the president
does have alot of control over the federal reserve after all. But I thought the crash occured under Hoover, not Coolidge. Can you actually provide proof that Coolidge was responsible for the crash or did you just blame him for some other reason?

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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker Calvin Coolidge - in a time when the Fabian socialists had made great strides growing government, Coolidge slowed them down enormously. It was easy for the early presidents to keep government small since they started out with small governments. Orange - The stock market and it's crash was his responsibility? Could be, the president does have alot of control over the federal reserve after all. But I thought the crash occured under Hoover, not Coolidge. Can you actually provide proof that Coolidge was responsible for the crash or did you just blame him for some other reason?

Did I say he caused it?

It obviously wasn't Hoover's fault...McKinley Coolidge and Hoover were essentially the same presidency as far as what was going on...and that's quite simply "pro business" and of course, in McKinley's term especially, corruption. I never claimed it was Coolidge's fault, it wasn't anyone's "fault"...I'm just saying if he had run for another term, history would coin the term "Coolidgevilles" instead...he's lucky to have stepped out when he did.

Again, never said it was his fault and I don't think that it was.

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quote: Calvin Coolidge - in a time when the Fabian socialists had made great strides growing government, Coolidge slowed them down enormously. It was easy for the early presidents to keep government small since they started out with small governments. Orange - The stock market and it's crash was his responsibility? Could be, the president does have alot of control over the federal reserve after all. But I thought the crash occured under Hoover, not Coolidge. Can you actually provide proof that Coolidge was responsible for the crash or did you just blame him for some other reason?

Coolidge was responsible for the crash. His high tariffs (he didn't support "small government") were significant factors contributing to the crash.