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SieGermans
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"I don't know, but when I think of America, distinctive culture does not come to mind"
you must not get out very much or read the news. Coca-Cola, MTV, and Hollywood are ALL examples of distinctive American Culture. they are overbearing in the world because most youths like the globalization and liberalism of American Culture as opposed to restricting heritage. this has lead to conflict, and is why so many muslims don;t like us. America is also a major scientific contributor to the world. to stay on subject, the camera and the motion picture were both invented by Americans.
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SieGermans
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Dry,
the motion picture camera and studio by which he can play the movies were both made by Edison, Lumiere merely refined the video camera. Edison also invented the battery to power this device.
the camera obscura was not a real camera. film wasn't even a though then. it was merely a projector that allowed an artist to draw clearly. I am refering to the Civil War photography work done by Walt Whitman and the modern shutter cameras invented by Eastmann.
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SieGermans
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it never ceases to amaze me how so many obnoxious people fail to regard anything that comes out of America.
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SieGermans
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if you read my other post which I know you did, you'd know that I give other nations the credit they deserve with the inventions they came up with. now why don't you start accepting the fact that a huge amount of inventions and ideas have come out of America. or are you going to tell me that the phonograph was a British idea and the airplane was invented by a Frenchman?
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Ironikinit
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I've seen some howlers on these boards, but Walt Whitman the Civil War photographer and the Lumiere bros.' video camera may just top them all.
In case anyone was curious, Whitman was a nurse during the ACW. The Lumiere brothers used chemical means, not magnetic tape... I would suppose that the video camera came along with, oh I dunno, maybe TELEVISION.
Anyway, yanks have plenty of inventions and scientific developments and the Nobels to show for it. Plus the culture doesn't put me to sleep. The rest of the world, IMVHO, often SCREWS UP American cultural developments, such as comic books, rock and roll, or pulp fiction by combining them with high art or middlebrow pretense... and then we yanks make the collosal mistake of imitating the imitation.
SEE ALSO: The Monkees.
I really am looking forward to seeing some pasty northern European kids figure out how to sell hip hop back to America, though.
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Arrian
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Kneel before Grog!
Jul 2001
time: 00:16
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S.D. - Dunno, but it mirrors what happens with American stuff. It's the crap that everyone else gets to see, and it seems that anything of real value never goes anywhere.
On Ab Fab, I suppose you look at it the way I look at most American TV programs - they embarass the hell out of me (for a number of reasons, including what people from other countries must think while watching it). Watching shows like Survivor, and for that matter, just about any sitcom, is pure torture.
Ab Fab, to me, is a "stupid funny" show without pretense. If it were American, though, I might not enjoy it. I don't consider it the height of British comedy, though, so don't worry.
-Arrian
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SieGermans
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Sagacious, America exports the same tripe, like the movie Titanic, Beenie Babies, reality TV, and pop music. it's the shittier, stereotype of American culture. Sag, the US does get some great things from the UK, such as punk rock  personally, I think our role in Environmentalism has been the strongest in the world, one of the culturally benefits we give to the world.
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Ironikinit
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Punk originated in the states. It was popularized in the UK.
SEE ALSO: The Ramones.
"Oh, the other countries only see our bad stuff. We keep all the good stuff for ourselves." Yeah, right. If Baywatch, the Spice Girls, and um... trying to think of another international embarassment but from another country... oh yeah, the Australian show "Neighbours", weren't at least marginally popular at home they wouldn't've been exported. There are other American shows just as bad as Baywatch, that's certain.
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SieGermans
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I am familiar with the Ramones. it was a parallel development, but UK punk was the "popular" punk
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Arrian
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Kneel before Grog!
Jul 2001
time: 00:16
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Sag,
Connecticut is as it always has been, thanks for asking. It's that nice little place in between Boston and New York. I grew up in Easton, which is also in Fairfield county, albeit on the opposite end from Riverside. The World is apparently a small place after all.
I agree with Ironikinit, that shows have to be popular in their place of origin to be exported. Such is the case with "reality TV" like Survivor. Survivor is hugely popular in the U.S. (if it wasn't, there wouldn't be all those imitation shows now). This fact alone has done a lot of damage to my already low regard for my fellow citizen's taste. I, with very little or no provocation, could go off on a rant about how much I hate that show and everything it stands for, but I will refrain from doing so here, so as to spare you all.
-Arrian
p.s. "Evil will always triumph over Good, because Good is dumb." - Dark Helmet, Spaceballs.
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molly bloom
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Lundenwic
Oct 2001
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quote:
Originally posted by SieGermans
I am familiar with the Ramones. it was a parallel development, but UK punk was the "popular" punk |
As an early British punk, I can truthfully say that it originated in New York, was noticed and exported by Malcolm MacLaren, when he returned to Britain after being involved with the New York Dolls. Punk is of course, a common American slang term, which should in itself tip anyone of about the roots of the musical genre- punk as used in British English was last popular in the 17th/18th centuries and was used as an alternate term for a loose woman or roaring girl.
There is a very good history of the Punk movements by Jon Savage, which would be of interest to anyone who wanted to see how music from the U.S. became remodelled as British art school/pub rock music.
Patti Smith, Talking Heads, the Ramones, all pre-dated Brit punk. As of course did what some might call the onlie begetters, Lou Reed, the Velvet Underground and Iggy Pop and the Stooges.
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Ironikinit
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I'd say that Bowie was a bigger influence on new wave than punk.
People always want to credit the smart-seeming influences. IMO, garage bands like ? and the Mysterians were as big an influence as anything on the development of punk rock. The Clash even did a song about being a garage band.
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