 |
|
ntyatecafe
|
|
Georgia, USA
Dec 2001
time: 00:16
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by Thrawn05
I find it funny how we continue to turn to the Egyptians when comparing other civs. It should be pointed out that Egypt AS A CULTURE OF ITS OWN ended when the Roman Empire fell, and the Muslim raiders took control of it. |
I believe that everyone is using Egypt as the comparison point, because it is believed to be the earliest civilization.
|
|
| |
|
| |
|
|
|
Mercury
|
|
Lviv, Ukraine
Nov 2001
time: 07:16
|
|
To my mind americans isn't a civilization. BECAUSE:
At first it was a couple of colonies and later they became independent and became as U.S.A. 300 as waas said for history is like 3 hours to us. So if a day has 24 hours, what are the 3?
Also as nation they formed later. And what nation???
In colonies was englishmen, and another nationalities. So?
The true so called "americans" are indians such as Sioux.
Why now America is so powerful. Because a lot of people such as former englishmen, french,chinese and others accumulated their minds to create such gegemony. But american culture is transformed from a group of another cultures, and became "american".
Banish!!!
|
|
| |
|
|
|
ntyatecafe
|
|
Georgia, USA
Dec 2001
time: 00:16
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by Mercury
To my mind americans isn't a civilization. BECAUSE:
At first it was a couple of colonies and later they became independent and became as U.S.A. 300 as waas said for history is like 3 hours to us. So if a day has 24 hours, what are the 3?
Also as nation they formed later. And what nation???
In colonies was englishmen, and another nationalities. So?
The true so called "americans" are indians such as Sioux.
Why now America is so powerful. Because a lot of people such as former englishmen, french,chinese and others accumulated their minds to create such gegemony. But american culture is transformed from a group of another cultures, and became "american".
Banish!!! |
Let me re-iterate a point I made earlier. If you want the game to go accuratly by history, every civilization in the game would have consequences...even Russia (assuming that it represents the entire [former] USSR would be reduced to a fraction of its power due to the coup and the formation of the CIS. I think we've already well established that a game that went accurately by history wouldn't be much fun.
One more point I need to make: What is the purpose to these discussions? Are we really that arrogant? I mean, if we decide that America shouldn't be in the game, what's going to happen? Do any of you really expect FireAxis to waste an obsurd amount of money by recalling the game, spending a lot of time removing America from it, then re-releasing it? Not to mention compensating those who had already bought the game! Is this likely? No. Is this feasible? No. Is this an assinine asumption? YES!
Bottom line: If you don't want America in the game, get your thumb out of you @$$, and edit it out. Quit whining about it, and quit wasting our time! This is pretty much a dead topic, so I'd suggest everyone drop it, and stop yapping at your betters!
|
|
| |
|
|
|
dexters
|
 |
Vancouver, Canada
Nov 2001
time: 05:16
|
|
Last edited by dexters on 13-12-2001 at 00:16
|
|
| |
|
|
|
dexters
|
|
Vancouver, Canada
Nov 2001
time: 05:16
|
|
It's been said before, but A TRUE game of Civilization will start with a band of Nomads with no particular nationality or culture and you would have full control in steering it into whatever you like.
As for the Americans being a Civilization, the Chinese would argue most of Europe does not deserve to be in the game as for most of China's 4000 long years of history, Europe was a collection of barbarian huts.
I'm sure the Egyptians would say the same thing.
To our Euro friends, don't be so smug about your historical age, as an old Chinese proverb goes, there will always be a mountain higher than the last, and there are plenty of Civilizations out there, some extinct , some existing in different configurations and some still intact (China) that predates your country by millenias more. And if we take the argument to its logical conclusion, your own country shouldn't be in the game as well.
Oh, but wait, that's American nationalism not the result of sloppy reasoning from your own biases.. 
|
|
| |
|
|
|
ntyatecafe
|
|
Georgia, USA
Dec 2001
time: 00:16
|
|
quote:
To our Euro friends, don't be so smug about your historical age, as an old Chinese proverb goes, there will always be a mountain higher than the last, and there are plenty of Civilizations out there, some extinct , some existing in different configurations and some still intact (China) that predates your country by millenias more. And if we take the argument to its logical conclusion, your own country shouldn't be in the game as well. |
HOORAH Dexters!!! I'd like to have said that, but others would have claimed it as another display of evil American arrogance, and talk of how the dastardly Americans were bashing other people's precious homelands!
Hey there's an idea! I won't bash your homeland, if you'll quit bashing mine!
(American by birth...Georgian by the grace of God!)
|
|
| |
|
|
|
sachmo71
|
|
de Tejas
May 2001
time: 23:16
|
|
WONDERWOMAN? If she were dressed like wonderwoman, she would be MUCH hotter! Blue spandex daisy dukes (another American invention!) with red leather knee boots. And a "truth lasso." She was invented by an American! Whoo hoo!
|
|
| |
|
|
|
alskdj80
|
|
Well said, dexters, I entirely agree with you,  .
quote:
Hey there's an idea! I won't bash your homeland, if you'll quit bashing mine! |
Actually, I don't think people are purposely bashing your homeland... just those arrogant people's homeland, which, happens to be the same land. I wouldn't bash anyone's homeland unless I had a reason to. Sometimes, I find that I have split feelings about a country just because I know two people, a friend and an annoying jerk. Human nature, I guess?
quote:
Aand the telephon was invented by a french guy don´t now his name. |
Are you sure? I thought the telephone was invented by a Canadian... Alexander Graham Bell. Maybe I'm wrong, not really important.
Oh! and there is another thing invented by Americans (I think??)... silicon in Hollywood... all this talk about Britney Spears got that into my mind, hehe, sorry.
quote:
Reminds me of a joke, involving the Invisible Man, Wonderwoman and Superman. |
Lol, ewww... that's not a joke for the faint hearted... I remember wincing when I first heard that one, and felt sorry for Invisible Man, lol... I guess invisibility has its disadvantages...
And yeah, you're right, ntyatecafe, it is kind of lame to be discussing whether Americans should be in the game. Of course they should! Most of the people buying the games are American, first of all, and that's what Firaxis cares about. It doesn't really matter whether they are legit as a civ or not. It's a question of money, and no entrepreneur in their right minds would turn down money. Besides, if we keep questioning the definition of a civilization, you'll probably find that in the end, there's only one civ... "humans". Or, if we were to indulge ourselves and loosen the definition, we'd find, "yellow", "white", "black", "red" (and red is pushing it too). Not a very interesting game then, is it?
Last edited by alskdj80 on 13-12-2001 at 06:11
|
|
| |
|
|
|
dexters
|
|
Vancouver, Canada
Nov 2001
time: 05:16
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by alskdj80
Well said, dexters, I entirely agree with you, . |
I agree with you too. oh wait. let me read what you're going to be saying... 
quote:
Actually, I don't think people are purposely bashing your homeland... just those arrogant people's homeland, which, happens to be the same land. I wouldn't bash anyone's homeland unless I had a reason to. Sometimes, I find that I have split feelings about a country just because I know two people, a friend and an annoying jerk. Human nature, I guess? |
Well, a little bit of nationalism, of identity, doesn't hurt anybody. It is all part of being a good citizen. And I applaud our friends over the pond for showing that they love their country.
But Nationalism is a Genie, when unleashed, it can bring destruction and death. And out of everyone, I would think our European friends would know this. overzealous Nationalism had been one of the central reasons for two world wars fought on European soil.
quote:
Are you sure? I thought the telephone was invented by a Canadian... Alexander Graham Bell. Maybe I'm wrong, not really important. |
Graham Bell, a Canadian, invented the telephone, but he had a rival, I believe his last name was Gray, but I'm not sure if he is swedish. I believe he was an American. Most books I've read seem to infer both invented it at roughly the same time. Bell just won by filing the patents first.
Last edited by dexters on 13-12-2001 at 11:53
|
|
| |
|
|
|
g_storrow
|
|
Manchester
Aug 2001
time: 05:16
|
|
I have enjoyed the argument but I agree that obviuosly not all Americans are arrogant but when you get a little criticism ( which was very silly about USA not being in the game: which I imagine was a wind up) you then go on to say we invented all this so we are great!
So much depends who wrote what you read. Where obviously in Canada Graham Bell invented the telephone but in Britain I have always heard he was Scottish.
Moving back to inventions, I heard around 70% of the world patents were recorded in the UK but more are develpoed in USA becasue they are the largest 1st world country therefore the most money to develop these ideas.
Saying how all America is made up of other cultures so is a lot of other countries as most have been invaded by another country all over it's history apart from maybet he Inuits as no-one wants to live in North Pole.
|
|
| |
|
|
|
ntyatecafe
|
|
Georgia, USA
Dec 2001
time: 00:16
|
|
quote:
Regardless, I wonder how many game turns the Romans have in Civ III (when you count their years in existence in real history) compared to the Americans. This could be a very interesting calculation. |
How many years were the Romans around? (remeber I have that years/turns chart)
|
|
| |
|
|
|
ntyatecafe
|
|
Georgia, USA
Dec 2001
time: 00:16
|
|
"To each their own..."
quote:
If you don't mind, can you find a stunner who is sporting the English flag? |
The only thing better than a beautiful woman is a beautiful woman wearing your country's flag...
|
|
| |
|
|
|
alskdj80
|
|
Yeah, it would be interesting to compare Rome to the other civs... the civs mentioned before in the comparison chart all exist today (except Egypt, because it really isn't the same civ as before). That doesn't give a very interesting comparison because the ones that existed first must have more turns as well.
All I know is that the legend of Romulus and Remus was dated at 753 BC. But after that, I think they were ruled by foreign leaders... it wasn't until 509 BC that they formed the Roman Republic. Problem is, when did Rome start? The legendary foundation? The Republic? Or the start of the Roman Empire? I think I'm leaning towards the 753 BC date. And about the fall, I think the Eastern Empire fell in 476 AD. How many years is that?
|
|
| |
|
|
|
Nathan
|
|
St. Louis
Dec 2001
time: 23:16
|
|
Yes, Alexander Graham Bell was Scottish. He moved to Canada and then the US.
Nathan
|
|
| |
|
|
|
alskdj80
|
|
lol, I didn't expect that Rome was so insignificant in Civ turns. Strange. What about Egypt? Does anyone know when ancient Egypt came to an end? I'm guessing that they have less total turns than most of the compared civs.
Wow, it really seems as if a civ that existed recently (or survived throughout history) is much more significant in Civ than a civ that existed earlier in history, no matter how long.
|
|
| |
All times are GMT. The time now is 05:16.
Apolyton Time is 00:16. |
top of page
|
| archivepost |
|
Forum Rules:
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
|
HTML code is ON
vB code is ON
Smilies are ON
[IMG] code is ON
|
|
|
|
|
|
10-12-2001 23:59
Attachment: 
doesn't count.
|
